You can't prove conclusively but you sure can tell it was highly likely just as you can tell that it is highly likely that Trump will tell a lie.
You know to a high degree of certainty what thousands of people were thinking when they voted? Seems like you’re treating all those people as children who can’t think for themselves, and suggesting they all fell victim to internet memes not just swaying them a little one way, but making them vote the literal opposite of what they otherwise would have. It is a bonkers claim.
Wrong johnny. If advertising is so useless then why do corporations spend billions doing it? Nobody knows what the numbers are but to think that the Russian advertising blitz had no effect is living in denial.
I knew Trump was the worst choice. It should have been obvious to most so obviously the ad blitz by the Russians had some effect.
Cup, i didn't vote either Hillary or Trump but don't you think many people voted against Hillary rather for Trump? And having spent a lot of time in the mid west many of the Union Dems changed there usual democratic vote to Trump because their dislike for her. Im hoping we get a number of candidates representing three parties, the two party deal isn't ever going to work anymore imo. Many don't want that because its easier to control/lambast two then three.
The Russians spent much more effort trying to get people to vote against Hillary than they did trying to get people to vote for Trump, so your observation is perfectly consistent with Cup's thesis. barfo
I don't know Barfo, I do think you are wrong on this as I personally know know multitudes more democrats than republicans in the mid west, Mfg employees and in some cases three generations in same plant of 5000 employees, and they would say you are insulting their intelligence by inferring Russians made them not vote for Hillary. These are hard core hang Old Glory from the rafters union employees that voted for Trump strictly because the democrats didn't have a candidate they liked. They would laugh at your assumptions that the Russians made them do it! I realize that you voted for Hillary but you should come to grips with the fact she wasn't the best candidate the democrats could have endorsed. Its to bad too.
I think you misunderstood my post, or I misunderstood yours. I thought you were saying the Russkies didn't have an effect because people voted against Hillary rather than for Trump. I was saying that the Russkies wanted people to vote against Hillary (it's much easier to tear someone down than build someone up). So people voting against Hillary doesn't disprove Russian influence. Whether or not they did have an effect at the ballot box is debatable, certainly, and it is not provable one way or another. As to your current point, obviously no one is ever going to admit that they were influenced by Russian propaganda - in part because those who were (if there were any) are the least likely to ever know that they were. If there were any voters who were influenced, they'd be low-information voters who rely on facebook, S2, or other social media for their news. barfo
As to your current point, obviously no one is ever going to admit that they were influenced by Russian propaganda - in part because those who were (if there were any) are the least likely to ever know that they were. If there were any voters who were influenced, they'd be low-information voters who rely on Facebook, S2, or other social media for their news. Both countries have been influencing with propaganda for years. To be honest I think it's the debates and that now days politicians are under such scrutiny and required to not only present to the American Public what they believe needed for improvements and that anymore they won't be able to say one thing and do another. Once the (old order on both sides) is taken out of the equation and cant demand support, that will free up progress in a refreshing way. Now all we need to do is prevent lobbyist from their influence and implement term limits. Politicians should not be beholden to the OLD ORDER and lobbyist. Im more concerned about than the Russian influence. However, I do see how their socialistic/control the mass/control government has influence some of these demo socialist groups.
Sure. And propaganda isn't illegal. Hacking is illegal, and conspiring with a campaign are illegal, though. As to your last point, in a way I agree. By helping to defeat the centrist Clinton, they've cleared the way for more liberal politicians to run in 2020. If she'd won, they'd have had to wait till 2024 for their shot. barfo
Im hoping a moderate runs as an independent because once again I don't think I'll the other candidates. Now that Bernie is in its going to be fun to watch the demo's all jump on board with socialism and huge government.
You'd have to have a very low IQ to be swayed by the Russians. e.g. Donald Trump was swayed by the Russians.
Bernie will not win the nomination and that will be the end of that. He will, however, turn all of his attention to helping the Democrats clobber Trump.
Probably not but he will be the loudest voice by far to pull the party to the far left with socialism as the main selling point. He will pull with him all that are currently running as they to will want the younger vote just he did with Hillary. Im hoping Biden comes in as really separates himself from the socialist agenda, because thats wants need for the demo to win, imo.
Democrats are already leaning left even without Bernie. I see Sanders as having little impact in the platform. Personally, I like Biden and have for quite some time now. I'd like to see him get in the race, but frankly, no matter who the Democrats nominage he's gonna wipe Trump out. Trump will soon be a bad memory much like Joe McCarthy.
so you think a far left democratic socialist would win in 2020 regardless. I don't, this country isn't ready for that as yet. Thats a big gamble for democrats!
