Marbury: "I'll Play My Way"

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but listen to what he's saying. He's already given up on trying to learn Larry Brown's proven system. LB hasn't even been the coach for a full season, don't you think Marbury should be doing all he can to learn and set an example for his teammates instead of being an idiot?</div>


This is because Larry Brown isn't using Marbury to the best of talents, Larry Brown doesn't care what Marbury can do, he's telling the whole team what to do.


That is very important, but at the same time Larry Brown should understand his players, and NBA today is one on one, Larry Brown is trying to present a 1960's style to players who are new school.

Marbury has been listening to Brown all season. If you've watch the Knicks for the first part of the season, Marbury was playing good one on one defense, dropping it off to Curry every player (reason why his assist numbers are down, Curry goes to the fouline alot or either turns it over) Marbury wasn't scoring or chucking too much.


With that method, it hasn't work, Knicks are the worst team in the NBA, and Marbury is SICK of it. I love that, Marbury wants a change, unlike Brown who doesn't want to change for his players. Brown needs to understand that.

This team and the coaches need to understand each other, which has been the problem all season long.

 

THe nba today is one and one? tell that to the pistons, mavs, and suns - they all obviously run one-on-one systems to great success.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">THe nba today is one and one? tell that to the pistons, mavs, and suns - they all obviously run one-on-one systems to great success.
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the NBA is one on one today, thats why its so different from FIBA and Euroleague, thats why team USA didn't dominate the Olympics and only got the Bronze metal, which is always good, but not good enough.

Theres alot of indivual one on one situations.

 

Marbury, as I said before, is most effective attacking the basket like he is tonight. The team plays so much better. Once we get a reliable shooting threat I think we'll see the Marbury of old again.

Remember the 03-04 season with Van Horn and Houston on the wings? Marbury could take it to the rack easily and when he got doubled he just dished it out for an automatic three. Q and Crawford are too streaky.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Larry Brown just one the NBA championship 2 seasons ago, so let's not talk about the "new school" approach. Teams who play 1 on 1 basketball are losing teams or just barely hanging around the .500 mark. Do you want the Knicks to be a .500 team for the next decade, or do you want a contender on the floor?

Shouldn't LB be the one telling the whole team what to do, and his players listening?

Not a single player on his team knows more about the game than Larry Brown, and not single player on that team has the credentials to question LB's style of basketball.</div>


Everyone knows Larry Brown has won a championship 2 years ago, I said Larry Brown should tell his players what to do, but you didn't read my post.

Larry Brown should listen to his players, just like they listen to them. There will never be a chemistry between the coach and player if this doesn't happend.



the 04-05 Pistons had an average of 93.3 ppg
in 03-04 Pistons had an average of 90.1 ppg
in 02-03 Phila had an average of 96 ppg
in 01-02 Phila had an average of 91.0 ppg
in 00-01 Phila had an average of 94.7 ppg
in 99-00 Phila had an average of 94.8 ppg
in 98-99 Phila had an average of 89.7 ppg
in 97-98 Phila had an average of 93.3 ppg



and this season we have 95 ppg we could be better

I'm not trying to diss brown, but you really need a better gameplan than what you're bringing out there constantly, consider the fact you have this

-Unstoppable one on one scorer in Marbury, with a combination of quickness and strength, with elite half court passing skills, and a very good mid range shot

I feel like this team can win games on their offense

Marbury/Francis/Rose
Francis/Rose/CrawfordRobinson
Richardson/Rose/Woods
Rose/Fyre/Lee
Curry/James/Butler

We're built a certain way Brown isn't accepting



Thats the problem............Brown isn't acknowledging, and Marbury is.

Brown isn't acting mature about this situation, his style doesn't fit with these players, and these players feel this style isn't sucessful

I'm not dissing Larry Brown, understand that, he's a hall of famer, and I understand his resume.

But its not working HERE, in New York, a team full of overpaid offensive players who aren't interested in team play or defending.


RUN AND GUN OFFENSE, LETS DO THIS, STARBURY NEEDS TO TAKE OVER.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with your above post j0se. It's good insight to the problems with the Knicks. But if this is the case, then the Knicks need to fire Larry Brown, and bring in an offensive minded head coach.

Larry Brown has never been an overnight fix, and doesn't have control over his team like he normally does. In the past Larry has needed a season to figure out and develop the chemistry, and then turns the team around immediately.

If the players have already tuned him out, then I think it would be easier to fire Larry and sign a new coach. Someone like Rudy T might be a good interim coach, because he loves to run and gun and has no problems with his team shooting from the perimeter.

Or maybe sign Frank Johnson, Marbury played pretty well under him in Phoenix.</div>


Fire Isiah first before anyone, he brought Larry Brown here, when he shouldn't have, Larry Brown is dealing with a Gm who isn't giving Larry the correct players.


We're too offensive minded to be sucessful on a guy who believes on little turnovers and a defensive team that plays consistantly on D every game.

We're like the total opposite of that...which is why I'll never understand Isiah.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury, as I said before, is most effective attacking the basket like he is tonight. The team plays so much better. Once we get a reliable shooting threat I think we'll see the Marbury of old again.

Remember the 03-04 season with Van Horn and Houston on the wings? Marbury could take it to the rack easily and when he got doubled he just dished it out for an automatic three. Q and Crawford are too streaky.</div>
Just wanted to call this to your attention


This is symbolic of the Knick's season

 

Haha. Yeah let's all blame Coach Brown. Marbury is saying things like this? As if the old starbury can change things? COme on.

Playing with 10 coaches is difficult because he had to adjust to the system? No. He played for 10 coaches because teams and coaches can't adjust to him.

This boys and girls is the reason why the Wolves, Nets and Suns weren't successful with him in tow and succeeded after he left. Come on. 10 coaches can't be wrong. You can't blame all of them. It's Marbury who is at fault.

And don't u go blaming Brown. He has his shortcomings, but the knicks sucked even before him. Why did u think he was brought in the first place? Coz they wanted to infuse his system to the Knicks. It's not his fault that the team is crappy. So another Isiah experiment failed. Fire him and Brown. Maybe then the new GM can stop loading in dead weights and superstars just for the heck of it and then maybe just maybe create a team capable of competing. Right from the start, we all knew that Brown shouldn't have taken the job because his style doesn't fit the Knicks. But no matter how different ur style is with the coach, u never say in public that "I'll play my way" esp if you're a point guard.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha. Yeah let's all blame Coach Brown. Marbury is saying things like this? As if the old starbury can change things? COme on.

Playing with 10 coaches is difficult because he had to adjust to the system? No. He played for 10 coaches because teams and coaches can't adjust to him.

This boys and girls is the reason why the Wolves, Nets and Suns weren't successful with him in tow and succeeded after he left. Come on. 10 coaches can't be wrong. You can't blame all of them. It's Marbury who is at fault.

And don't u go blaming Brown. He has his shortcomings, but the knicks sucked even before him. Why did u think he was brought in the first place? Coz they wanted to infuse his system to the Knicks. It's not his fault that the team is crappy. So another Isiah experiment failed. Fire him and Brown. Maybe then the new GM can stop loading in dead weights and superstars just for the heck of it and then maybe just maybe create a team capable of competing. Right from the start, we all knew that Brown shouldn't have taken the job because his style doesn't fit the Knicks. But no matter how different ur style is with the coach, u never say in public that "I'll play my way" esp if you're a point guard.</div>


Yes, playing with 10 different coaches affects a player and his style. When you have a coach, you a presented a system on how he wants you to play.

Stephon Marbury has been productive, and has averaged 20 and 8 consistantly, throughout his career. For all his teams.

Marbury has taken 3 NBA franchises to the playoffs. The Suns, the Twovles, the Knicks...and except for the Nets who were an embarassment to the NBA in the 90s.

Keith Van Horn was in his prime playing with Marbury. Keith Van Horn is non atheletic, and Marbury used Keith's jump shooting ability and post game in the half court set, to create shots for a player like Keith Van Horn.


If you can't acknowledge the changes Marbury has gone through his long career, then you won't understand the situation going on between Brown and Marbury.

You don't watch the New York Knicks, so let tell you something.

Marbury in the beginning of the season didn't take stupid shots, he played good defense, he didn't turn it over, and he threw the ball to Curry, and made Channing Fyre who's similar to Keith Van Horn into an offensive weapon. Marbury works great with big men.

Knicks were a playoff team a couple years ago, but we continue to get worse.

As a person who hasn't watched a Knick game, the last part was poor, the Knicks problem is Isiah/Dolan.

I already said Larry Brown style doesn't fit with the guys on this roster, I've said that the first day Brown signed here, I'm open to hear what you have to say, not what you have to repeat what I said.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha. Yeah let's all blame Coach Brown. Marbury is saying things like this? As if the old starbury can change things? COme on.</div>
What about when Marbury played in the '03-04 season? We changed big time and were a pretty decent team, especially when we had a healthy Houston and Van Horn on the floor.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Playing with 10 coaches is difficult because he had to adjust to the system? No. He played for 10 coaches because teams and coaches can't adjust to him.</div>
Not true.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This boys and girls is the reason why the Wolves, Nets and Suns weren't successful with him in tow and succeeded after he left. Come on. 10 coaches can't be wrong. You can't blame all of them. It's Marbury who is at fault.</div>
What happened to the T'Wolves? Where are they now? Don't say the Wolves finally made it out of the first round 6 years after Marbury left? What are you talking about? Kidd did make the team much better, but we can't forget when he came they had Richard Jefferson and a healthy Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, and Keith Van Horn. The Suns got better, but, again, they had a healthy Amare and signed Quentin Richardson in the offseason. The year before the Suns almost eliminated the eventual World Champion Spurs.

I'm not saying Marbury is a better point guard than any of the aforementioned ones. All I'm saying is the situations he's put in are usually neglected. I also understand a player is judged by wins and losses, but wins and losses don't necessarily define a player.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And don't u go blaming Brown. He has his shortcomings, but the knicks sucked even before him. Why did u think he was brought in the first place? Coz they wanted to infuse his system to the Knicks. It's not his fault that the team is crappy. So another Isiah experiment failed. Fire him and Brown. Maybe then the new GM can stop loading in dead weights and superstars just for the heck of it and then maybe just maybe create a team capable of competing. Right from the start, we all knew that Brown shouldn't have taken the job because his style doesn't fit the Knicks. But no matter how different ur style is with the coach, u never say in public that "I'll play my way" esp if you're a point guard.</div>
Brown is very much to blame for the Knicks this season. He has no consistency when he coaches and tears the players up. The lack of trust between a coach and a player is important in a players performance.

 

When Larry took Steph out of the game in the 2nd quarter and refused to let him back in while we went down by 12 is why we lost against the Nuggets.

 

Wow, this is the exact attitude that you would NOT want from a player, and especially not your star player. He's basically saying that he's given up on the whole team concept in favour of playing his usual me-first ball, or whatever it takes to garner him the most money. The guy just oozes selfishness.... (btw, doesn't he have any PR guys to let him know that when talking to the media you should NEVER mention money, especially if you're saying that it's a means of motivation for playing good??)

For those defending Marbury, think of the big picture here.... do you REALLY want Marbury to go back to Starbury? There's a reason why Larry Brown was brought there in the first place, and that's so he WON'T go back to his old ways. Sure you're losing a ton of games right now, and having Starbury back will probably cure that.... but it will come at a cost. The cost you ask? Well Marbury will see that his old me-first style of play is winning games for his team, and as a result, will make it almost impossible for him to embrace the team concept ever again. And don't be fooled when (or if) your team does win games when Starbury comes back b/c playing it his way will only result in mediocrity for as long as he's with the team. Just ask the Nets and the Suns.... and any team for that matter seeing how most of them are steering clear from acquring him.

Having said that, I can understand the frustrations w/ Larry Brown. I think he doesn't do a good job in balancing how much of the game should follow a strict structure and how much of it should be free flowing. He's also too hard on the young guys and has very questionable rotations. However, his ideas of playing good team ball is exactly what the Knicks (and all teams for that matter) should strive for.

So it's okay if you're not liking the way Larry Brown's running the team, but you definitely shouldn't be taking Marbury's comments as a positive sign of things to come.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jose:</div><div class="quote_post">When Larry took Steph out of the game in the 2nd quarter and refused to let him back in while we went down by 12 is why we lost against the Nuggets.</div>

The Knicks were down by five at halftime and got blown to bits in the third quarter and I'm pretty sure he was playing in that quarter...so what are you talking about?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">What about when Marbury played in the '03-04 season? We changed big time and were a pretty decent team, especially when we had a healthy Houston and Van Horn on the floor.


Not true.


What happened to the T'Wolves? Where are they now? Don't say the Wolves finally made it out of the first round 6 years after Marbury left? What are you talking about? Kidd did make the team much better, but we can't forget when he came they had Richard Jefferson and a healthy Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, and Keith Van Horn. The Suns got better, but, again, they had a healthy Amare and signed Quentin Richardson in the offseason. The year before the Suns almost eliminated the eventual World Champion Spurs.

I'm not saying Marbury is a better point guard than any of the aforementioned ones. All I'm saying is the situations he's put in are usually neglected. I also understand a player is judged by wins and losses, but wins and losses don't necessarily define a player.


Brown is very much to blame for the Knicks this season. He has no consistency when he coaches and tears the players up. The lack of trust between a coach and a player is important in a players performance.</div>

You do realize that Amare isnt playing at all right now and that Richardson was traded to the Knicks and that right now the Nash has household names like Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, Tim Thomas, James Jones, Eddie House and their still going to win 50 games this year? I think it's painfully obvious that Steve Nash is responsible for the Suns success not Amare. All Marbury has are excuses. He has a supposedly bad team around him in New Jersey he says he's all alone and cant win. You give him a talented team in New York last season and all he does is lose. Give him even more talent and the best coach in the game and all he does is lose even more and complain about how he doesnt have freedom to jack up shots whenever he feels like it.

Anyway I'm getting tired of people defending Marbury. The team wins 2 games straight and then he comes out and says he's going to go back to playing his way. The Starbury way. I guess winning isnt enough for Starbury. He has to have the big numbers. After all how is he supposed to get the big contract without the big numbers? He didnt say he needs to step his game up to help the team. He didnt say he needs to try harder to learn Brown's system so he can raise his game like Billups did. He didnt say he was going to get his teammates more open looks. He didnt say he was going to put in more effort and play better defense. He complained about his numbers. He whined that he couldnt get a max contract with the numbers he's putting up.

Starbury is officially a cancer. All he cares about is getting 20 and 8 and his next big fat payday. And that's why he's a career loser. Not because lack of talent but because all he cares about is his own personal glory and the money. He should be traded immediately. It doesnt matter if we get an All Star in return, expiring contracts, picks or potato chips. If we cant move him he needs to ride out the remainder of his contract at home. Either way I dont want to see Marbury or Starbury or whatever the Hell he's calling himself today around the team or in a Knick uniform.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

I was a Marbury hater, but I grew up out of that immature ****...real talk, Marbury doesn't HURT this team, he isn't a cancer. You have to be mad closed minded to think he's a cancer.

Isiah Thomas has assembled this mess.

Why is everyone getting so whiney about Marbury? He just said he wants to play like an All Star again and help this team out.

 

Murbury is just not what he use to be he needs to give it up!

 

Look guys, I'm not even going to explain my side coz I don't want this to be another one of those Starbury is the best PG vs. Starbury is a cancer thread. I've done that before. All I'm saying is he has to stop saying things as if he's the messiah of this team. That all he has to do is go back to his playing style and things will change. He had those chances before. 10 coaches can't be wrong about him. He is talented but he can't blame Brown on this one. Everyone is to blame esp. Isiah.

 

unbelivable...marbury's attitude is ridiculous, and knick fans supporting it are crazy. larry brown is a (future) hall of fame coach...marbury is just being arrogant and moronic. how can anyone support a players declaration of mutiny? (sp?) he's telling everyone that he's going to ignore the coach...and you support that?

what a mess this team is

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">

That is very important, but at the same time Larry Brown should understand his players, and NBA today is one on one, Larry Brown is trying to present a 1960's style to players who are new school.

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it is? thats funny...because the best teams in the league are playing a TEAM game...and the teams that rely on 1-on-1 play arent doin so hot. ie: philly, lakers...etc