Marc Stein's first trimester awards

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  1. McGrady^1

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Uh so? He played in the east and his offensive production was of a weak MVP candidate. He wasn't better than Shaq/Duncan/etc. no matter how you want to look at it.</div>

    so just because he played in the east, a 56-26 season does not mean anything. And 31.1 pts leading the league in scoring in 2000-2001 is a weak offensive production for a MVP candidate.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">McGrady^1 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">so just because he played in the east, a 56-26 season does not mean anything. And 31.1 pts leading the league in scoring in 2000-2001 is a weak offensive production for a MVP candidate.</div>

    Yes it was, you're looking at the wrong statistics. First, one should observe his PER, which was about 24. Next we look at this chart here:

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    Reference guide
    Hollinger has set up PER so that the league average, every season, is 15.00, which produces sort of a handy reference guide:

    *A Year For the Ages: 35.0
    *Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
    *Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
    *Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
    *Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
    *Borderline All-Star: 20.0
    *Solid 2nd option: 18.0
    *3rd Banana: 16.5
    *Pretty good player: 15.0
    *In the rotation: 13.0
    *Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
    *Definitely renting: 9.0
    *On next plane to Yakima: 5.0
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    Source

    Per doesn't measure Defense though; but keep in mind, that while Duncan had a similar PER, he's one of the best interior defenders in the league, AI is not. Hell, Chris Webber would have been a better choice for MVP, look at his year in 2001.

    Now we shall take a look at the Eastern/Western conferences:
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    <font color=""Blue"">Eastern Conference</font>
    Team W L

    Philadelphia 76ers* 56 26
    Milwaukee Bucks* 52 30
    Miami Heat* 50 32
    New York Knickerbockers* 48 34
    Toronto Raptors* 47 35
    Charlotte Hornets* 46 36
    Orlando Magic* 43 39
    Indiana Pacers* 41 41
    Boston Celtics 36 46
    Detroit Pistons 32 50
    Cleveland Cavaliers 30 52
    New Jersey Nets 26 56
    Atlanta Hawks 25 57
    Washington Wizards 19 63
    Chicago Bulls 15 67
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    <font color=""Red"">Western Conference</font>
    Team W L

    San Antonio Spurs* 58 24
    Los Angeles Lakers* 56 26
    Sacramento Kings* 55 27
    Dallas Mavericks* 53 29
    Utah Jazz* 53 29
    Phoenix Suns* 51 31
    Portland Trail Blazers* 50 32
    Minnesota Timberwolves* 47 35
    Houston Rockets 45 37
    Seattle Supersonics 44 38
    Denver Nuggets 40 42
    Los Angeles Clippers 31 51
    Vancouver Grizzlies 23 59
    Golden State Warriors 17 65
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    The West is just overall superior (almost every year since MJ retired really,) and had seven 50 win teams, compared to the East's three. Finally, Duncan led his team to 58 wins in the West, Shaq's team won 56 (in the west).
     
  3. phunDamentalz

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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes it was, you're looking at the wrong statistics. First, one should observe his PER, which was about 24. Next we look at this chart here:



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    Per doesn't measure Defense though; but keep in mind, that while Duncan had a similar PER, he's one of the best interior defenders in the league, AI is not. Hell, Chris Webber would have been a better choice for MVP, look at his year in 2001.

    Now we shall take a look at the Eastern/Western conferences:




    The West is just overall superior (almost every year since MJ retired really,) and had seven 50 win teams, compared to the East's three. Finally, Duncan led his team to 58 wins in the West, Shaq's team won 56 (in the west).</div>

    yo, you trying to be durvasa or something? lol
     

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