Mariota vs the Ducks

WSU throws a ton, probably more than any other team we'll see this year or ever for that matter. I think they used under 10 run plays for the game. That said.... YAC yards and being burned on short routes under 15 is what the 3-4 was designed to defend. If we give up that short pass and now everyone knows we're doing that, what do you think happens when other teams decide to attack us that way and north to south running strongly peppered in, which the 3-4 is susceptible to?

Essentially we're playing soft prevent for the first half and it's giving other teams rhythm. Great teams like Bama, Ok, FSU or Auburn wont give that tempo back to us if our D can get them off the field; and all those I've mentioned have much better running games then what we've seen to date!


I think the key here is to let our great secondary be just that, GREAT and load another man on the line to get some constant pressure on the opposing QB's. Once the D line get some decent and consistent pressure our LB's can really attack. What's the purpose of having great DB's like Olomu if we can't let them play man coverage so our D line can disrupt their QB enough to allow Ifo to take advantage with his skill from hurried up QB's not sitting comfortably in the pocket?


Once again we have talent on the line, AA, Balducci and Buckner are gamers, the play calling is having them laying up and puting the emphasis of the tackling on our average LB's and our DB's and safeties to come up. If anyone goes back and watches the D line play you'll be amazed at how many time our big 3 are playing patty cake with the O line and not even trying to get into the backfield. That's a defensive scheme failure, NOT OUR PLAYERS!!

I refuse to blame these kids for a prevent mentality which also ties directly into my assumptions on why we're not recruiting top DT's and haven't for years! It's our D scheme.

Vanderchicken was right on that point, we aren't using our DT's the right way!

 

One can refuse to believe in gravity or that the moon isn't made of cheese, but why should the rest of us care? Remember when you refused to believe that they'd come back with essentially the same defensive schemes as last year? You assured us umpteen times that Aliotti's schemes got him fired and that you knew that changes were coming. Big surprise those claims were complete drivel.

Similarly this DLine recruiting nonsense is completely off base. Remind me of the season they had 3 4* kids starting on their DLine? I'll help...they've never ever had overall higher rated recruits on their DLine then this season... hell, they've got 4* backups. Overall their defensive *s recruiting has picked up in the past 5 seasons or so to a level the program has never seen before. So go ahead and believe that these higher rated kids are being held back the same schemes that their less hyped predecessors excelled under if you like, that just proves something else entirely.

STOMP

 

Can we add Kenny Rowe and nick Reed to that? Those dudes knew how to get to the QB.

 

You say "desperation overhaul" - I say don't pound square pegs into round holes.

 

First of all, we both know a major change isn't going to happen. 4 games into the year (and 4-0 & ranked #2) you're advocating changing the system. They targeted/recruited these kids for this system, they didn't spring it on them. In the offseason they coached them up on it. Pounding square pegs into round holes very quickly is exactly what you're advocating.

I'm advocating the LBs figure out how to tackle. In a system designed for the LBs to make a majority of the stops, their 2 Safeties are leading the team in tackles.

STOMP

 

Well, at least we agree on what the problem is. For us, that's progress!

 

You are NOT ever going to put pressure on a QB with a 3 man front that is told to lay up 2-4 plays a series. The LB's are being asked to do to much if the line can't penetrate those gaps or at the least hold the O line from positive gain! It's not realistic, especially with the size of O lineman today.

I don't care who your LB's are if this is the mountain you're asking them to climb weekly for poor D coordination. There is no reason our big 3 aren't being more aggressive at the line and they can be. They're good enough! It's play calling and philosophy and it's Aliotti'ing us again. Pellum needs to find his inner LB mean and fix this apathy and take the muzzles off his war dogs and allow them to hunt. Without putting pressure on the QB and often we can't beat the top five teams in the nation. FACT!

If you're happy with a 80th or worse D Stomp fine, but don't expect anyone else to buy the hogwash you're saying year after year as this is what "Oregon IS". To much money is in this program now, this is a major national brand, the D can't afford to be this mediocre anymore and big business "NIKE" wont allow it either!

 

Matthews or even Reed but Heck Ya!!!! That's the stuff I'm talking about.

 

I don't disagree with the players you mentioned but I do question the Helfrich's strategy to red-shirt these players when we clearly have a window to win the playoffs (That gets a lot harder next year). Personally, Considering we are going to be losing players to the NFL next year on both sides of the line, I would play everyone this year so we are prepared for more injuries (Knock on wood) and the players have actual game experience going into next year.

 

Stomp I'd like you to tell me the last true DT's Oregon has recruited in 4 years? Not converted TE's or DE's that gained weight but true DT's we've recruited for the position we need most to upgrade to play an effective 3-4? Balducci, Bair and way under weighted Jelks were the last I can remember.... Go ahead let it rip?

Without a Vanderdoes, McCarthy, Payne, McKenzie, Thompson, Mack type of player with 6'4 300+ size that can get under pad level and use their leverage against slower bigger O lineman you're going to have a hard damn time getting the type of penetration needed to make a 3-4 effective. This will in turn put the LB's on their toes attacking gaps created by these big uglies, vs. on their heels reacting when a jumbo O line has imposed their will.

Either go with a 4-3 and recruit the way we have been doing or you've got to have the evil ones like the one listed above on the line to warrant that 3-4 style!

 

I agree with you 1honestfan, those players I listed can't hurt us to get them some play. We need line help and a 6'8 320 kid with an anger issue might be just perfect against Colorado, Cal and OSU.

 

you are proven completely wrong yet again and react by lashing out at opinions which were proven correct calling them hogwash more classic funnies from Swimblock!

Besides being unable/unwilling to own up to being proven full of it (again), you've completely misconstrued my take (again) in this thread saying I'm happy with the results... which of course I've repeatedly expressed being anything but. I just don't happen to share your opinion that it's the system to blame as the system has been proven to work great. I blame the current players for not executing, specifically the LBs for being out of position and missing tackles. I've been hammering on this in the very thread and dating back to last season yet somehow you'll have us believe it's flown over your head and I'm thrilled that they've struggled on D. Again, Helfrich stated WSU gained 200+ yards after missed tackles, which is consistent to what I observed. MH has the D working on the basics of wrapping up this week in practice. So once again I'm siding with how the coaches view things, while it's your position that you know better then the coaches. Gee, who to side with... the wildly successful professionals in charge or some random internet poster who can't keep facts straight and is regularly proven to be dead wrong?

STOMP

 

I just had a little thought.....For years Oregon was cosidered small and all we ever heard was that we needed to get bigger. For the last 3-4 years, that's all we have done is get bigger in every area. Is it possible that we are getting to big (In some areas) where we are losing out on players who are smaller but have played small their who lives and thus have better vision and a bigger motor? Are we playing a system that doesn't really work for the bigger, taller, slower players? Do we need to consider moving the pendulum back the other way just a bit?

 

80th or worse D and one that no top ten team fears seems like a success to you Stomp then no need to banter.... Your calling card is in your yearly DENIAL! Hell the national sports media is calling out the Ducks for lack of D. Guess you know more than guys paid to analyze too? I'll take my internet posting ass who played multiple levels of football over your status quo dinosaur non evolved kiss ass yesteryear dribble any day! Fair enough snowboarder?

SO where are my DT's mouth? Can't find any yet for the last 4 years or none that fit your spin you call a debate? How ya like Bair going to the O line do to his height and arm length? To tall to get under pad level on the D huh? Hmm... maybe he's a born O lineman.... Shuck and Jive some more mouth maybe you'll convince "US" you know how to put on shoulder pads some day!

The fact you can call an 80th or worse nationally ranked D shooting par for Oregon with the type of national recognition this program has today is a sign of your obvious mediocrity. Times have changed and so has the program we call Oregon Football. A defense known for being Bend Don't Break and you thinking that as a success over the years should render you opinion on these topics moot hence forth!

Break out the Swiffer's I'm talking to an antique here!



But hey you do have me on Swim Block now don't ya Grandpa? EWWWW! Burn!