MARTELL WEBSTER!!!!

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BLAZINGGIANTS, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    28,071
    Likes Received:
    10,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Roy couldn't really do it, either. It's hard to stop a superstar. Though Martell did have a block on Carmelo in the 3rd.
     
  2. PapaG

    PapaG Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    32,870
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tualatin, OR
    Roy shouldn't have to defend a SF. Webster and Outlaw both failed tonight, and that's a big reason why Denver won the game. I do realize that "superstars are superstars" at times, however, no matter how they are defended.
     
  3. alex42083

    alex42083 Thanks Brandon

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    7,789
    Likes Received:
    47
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Writing about sports
    Location:
    Canby, Wilsonville, Portland
    Roy just lost too much weight to battle down low and bang with a guy like Carmelo on the defensive end. But Melo is just a great player anyway, and might be an MVP candidate this season.
     
  4. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    3,376
    Likes Received:
    2,074
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)

    I think Nate needs to play Webster "right' for this team: He needs to be our 6th man!

    His energy, athleticsm, ability to shoot from all over the floor. He'd give the team that important lift it needs. Shoot, he's even playing solid, tenacious defense.


    Start Rudy (against a smaller team) and start Outlaw (against a bigger team) at the 3. Bring in Webster as 6th man.


    From what I'm seeing (overall), the "White team" "Black team" doesn't really work, nor does it truly play out as two teams. So go back to a true 6th man approach.

    I'd even go as far as predicting Webster would win 6th man of the year if this were to happen.
     
  5. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    28,071
    Likes Received:
    10,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I really dislike the idea of Outlaw starting, but Rudy starting at the 3 is an experiment worth considering. If Webster hadn't already done so much to earn a starting spot, I'd feel fine with his psyche about it, too. But from a pure fantasy GM perspective, sure, I'd love to give "Rudy/Roy tag-teaming the SF position" a try.
     
  6. RudyFor3

    RudyFor3 Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2009
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Blake and Miller were at the PG spot and Roy at the SG, and Rudy was on fire in the 4th so you couldn't really take out Rudy. Only other option was take out Blake/Miller for Webster which is what should have been done so have a Roy/Rudy/Webster lineup but McMillan went with Blake/Miller instead.
     
  7. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    3,376
    Likes Received:
    2,074
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)
    Not contradicting you....but I'm not certain what Webster has done (other than playing for 5 minutes all of last season, playing in pre-season games and playing decent in game 1 this year) to "earn" the starting spot?

    Miller/Roy/Rudy is not too much of an experiment. Against bigger teams - perhaps so. I'm simply making a point that great teams have a great 6th man. The 6th man (on a great team) is essentially an extension of the starting unit - providing an often-needed spark off the bench and/or a momentum-changer.

    Webster's aggressive play and his ability to score can be something quite special for this team - if a 6th man role was carved out for him. And once Batum comes back, I think Batum is a better 'starter' for this squad (because of his defensive abilities more than anything). You typically don't bring in a defensive stopper as a 6th man. The 6th man needs to provide an offensive spark. Batum won't give us this.

    So why play with Web's head by starting him? This is setting up Batum's return as a negative to the team and to Web's psychy?

    Start Rudy at the 3 and bring Webs in as our 6th man.
     
  8. KingSpeed

    KingSpeed Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2008
    Messages:
    63,200
    Likes Received:
    22,399
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    actor
    Location:
    New York
    He was amazing early but then he pretty much vanished from our gameplan. It was disappointing to me.
     
  9. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,701
    Likes Received:
    24,927
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He got no shots in the second half, which, to me, was kind of baffling.
     
  10. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    3,376
    Likes Received:
    2,074
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)
    Is this not 100% coaching?

    I'm not a Nate hater - but I have questions.....



    Yes, Rudy getting hot (real hot!) in the 4th may have kept Webster on the bench.


    I don't know.....maybe we need to get a grip that Brandon is our best point guard!

    Roy
    Rudy
    Webster (Until Batum gets healthy)
    LMA
    Oden


    Let the opponent match up with "US" - and when CP3 starts to burn us, then bring in????? oh yeh, do we have any other guard that can handle him anyway?


    PS: I'm kinda looking forward to seeing Mills get healthy and play. I think we're going to like his game!
     
  11. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ^^This.

    I've been pretty skeptical of Martell being able to come back from a year off and look as good as he has so far. He looks energized, aggressive (at both ends) and he's not taking low percentage shots anymore ... I hope he keeps it up, cause God knows we could use some heady and efficient play at the small forward spot.
     
  12. STOMP

    STOMP mere fan

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    11,448
    Likes Received:
    4,129
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Marin
    these first couple games have been some of his best ball as a Blazer, but lets not get carried away with things. While he's always had a great frame for hoops, it's been between the ears that he has struggled, sometimes mightily. Being able to speak well, while nice for quotes/interviews, is something entirely different then having a high hoops IQ. For example, Magic Johnson.

    here's hoping he can sustain the level of play we've seen so far

    STOMP
     
  13. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    8,613
    Likes Received:
    2,102
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree, why did we stop making him come off screens in the 2nd half? Between him and Rudy they were on fire. I can understand the 3rd quarter Roy-heat-up, but in the fourth when were were dropping the lead, we should have done some of that. If Martell was tired, put Rudy in there to do the same thing, they both were awesome last night.

    I just wish Martel was bodying up more on Melo later in the game. Melo took it personal early to destroy webs.....and well succeeded by blowing us up for 40ish
     
  14. oldguy

    oldguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,817
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    48
    More disappointing than Travis's play?
     
  15. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    26,096
    Likes Received:
    9,073
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He blew up Webster for 17 in 27 minutes. Melo blew up Roy, Travis, Miller for 24 in 15 minutes.
     
  16. hasoos

    hasoos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    9,418
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ok a couple of things: It's interesting how history repeats itself. 2 seasons ago Martell did a great job defending Carmello, making his shots tough for a half, and then Nate switched Roy on to him and we lost a close game. I am not saying Roy is a bad defender, but Martell has more size and was doing a better job.

    Now the other thing. I believe what happened is Martell played his tail off in the first half on both ends of the court, but I think because he has not been playing a ton, he ran out of gas so to speak. Carmello is a load to handle. I think Martell just ran out of fuel because he doesn't fully have his basketball games underneath him yet.
     
  17. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    8,309
    Likes Received:
    3,944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Buy a recipe binder at CookbookPeople.com
    Location:
    Jolly Olde England
    I've been really impressed with what I've seen so far in Webster. I'd long since given up all hope on the guy, and was willing to throw him in to sweeten any trade. If he can continue to improve, it's going to be really hard for Batum to get his job back.

    Come on, Webster. Make me eat some delicious crow. I don't think I'm there yet, but I definitely smell something cooking in the oven.
     
  18. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    22,030
    Likes Received:
    14,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, I agree he struggled with confidence. He's a smart basketball player, too. And I think his bball IQ is ahead of the curve and was when he was drafted out of school. The only thing I ever thought he lacked was confidence. Nothing has really ever jumped out to prove otherwise.
     
  19. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    13,193
    Likes Received:
    6,533
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Gear Finisher
    Location:
    Lebanon, Oregon
    :check:
     
  20. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,638
    Likes Received:
    20,327
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Poster Boy
    Location:
    Blazerlandia
    For the win.
     

Share This Page