Martell Webster

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  1. fumanchu

    fumanchu Active Member

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    If Blake loses his starting spot I don't see it going to Webster or Bayless, but rather Mr. Fernandez. Frankly I think it's a matter time. Miller, Fernandez and Roy seems like the most logical combo.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Could somebody direct me to the "Blake sucks" thread? I think I'm lost and in the wrong thread.
     
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    he's averaging 21 MPG...

    With this year shaping up to be about the same performance level as his others, we probably can make a decent guess as to what to expect from him by now. It is what it is.

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  4. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Of course, his minutes are skewed by him starting the first 5 games of the season, where has actually played well. He's been producing less after being put to the bench and has games of 13, 16, 13, and 11 minutes.
     
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    playing well isn't what usually earns a demotion. Martell was almost mediocre as a starter and has been struggling coming off the bench.

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    U can add Telfair to that mix, along with Kwame Brown, and a handful of others. At least Martell and Outlaw have shown substantial development over the years.
     
  7. Ed O

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    Do you really think he was demoted because of what HE did (or did not do), rather than what Miller can do?

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  8. BrianFromWA

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    Well, in playing 11 games so far (5 as a starter, against Joe Johnson, Melo, Battier, Gay) he's holding opposing players (generally the best wing player on a team) to a PER of 10. Ten. 34% below an "average NBA starter". Guess that qualifies as a stretched "okay". He's outperforming the players he's defending by 3 PER points. Say what you want about his offense, but it's ridiculously close-minded to bring up perimeter defense as a detriment of the only guy actually playing it on our team.

    Agree. And I've been stating for 3 years now (though last year doesn't matter) that, if in 2005 Nate would've given Webster Outlaw's role and vice versa (giving Webs the green light to gun for the 2nd unit, and making Outlaw into a perimeter defender) our team would be much better, each of the two players would be better/more advanced players, and Webs would look like a 6th-man of the year candidate. I guess we'll finally see now. (Hopefully)
     
  9. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    He's seriously the same player he was four years ago. He really doesn't do anything well and he's as inconsistent as ever. Role player,I guess, but not a very good one. He'll show spurts of being solid but those are far and few between.
     
  10. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Webster plays SF, Outlaw plays PF. There role on this team is entirely different. And is your definition of sucking, not scoring? Because I would rather have those roles for Roy, Aldridge and Miller right now. Eventually Oden will be the third option scoring.

    Fact is, Webster is cheap and he does play good position D. We need role players like him. Maybe he's no "Glen Rice" but I could see him be a role like Stacy Augmon.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    HAHAHAHHAHA The next complaining victim is Webster! LMAO! First it was Roy, then it was Outlaw, then it was Fernandez, then it's Nate (Maybe some still think this) and now it's Webster. Who else? This is hilarious all this complaining after we just won 5 straight.
     
  12. Fez Hammersticks

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    Maybe because Webster sucks and has not even come close to living up to his draft selection? The guy is a stiff.

    7.7 PPG
    2.5 RPG
    0.8 APG
    +7.91 EFF
    21 MPG
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Um yeah he shouldn't of never been a #6 pick. But he is still a Blazer and a very cheap one at that. But doesn't matter, if he turns the corner, there will be someone else to complain about huh?
     
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    I doubt he turns a corner. He's the same player now as he was a straight-out-of-HS rookie.
     
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    You can't really expect a young guy to mature at the normal rate when he's getting yanked thanks to Nate's flip flopping.
    If I was a young prospect, I'd be terrified of being drafted by Nate, and then watching my crucial learning years go to waste rotting on the end of the bench.

    Nate's gotta go!
     
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    I want him against players like Melo, Kobe, LJ and other stronger SFs around the league. I think Webster does a great job against those players. Also, how much is Webster getting paid? I think he's a good price for a role player.
     
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    Your right. Holding your opponents to a combined PER of 10.0 isn't good defense...That's at the 3. When he's guarding the 2 spot it's 6.0 ....He's getting 1.43 Blocks per 48 and 2.8 steals per 48...These are all proof of GOOD DEFENSE...Or is that stretching it??
     
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    And amazingly enough with that melange of crappy stats, he's STILL outperforming the best wing player the opponent has (check out the +3.0 PER differential on 82games.com).

    for 4+ million per year? From a guy in his early 20's? Yeah, I'll take that. And laugh at you for thinking otherwise. :)
     
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    Dude, what? Weren't Roy and Aldridge young prospects? Travis and Rudy as well? They didn't exactly rot at the end of the bench.

    Nate has given Webster plenty of opportunities and starting gigs and he hasn't proven himself.
     
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    Sean.ivity Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    All I have to say is 12 games into a season after missing the last season with sporadic minutes.... ugh wants the point.. I say let him get used to playing again? but thats me, agree to disagree perhaps?:dunno:
     

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