OT Mass shooting in Texas, at least 5 dead, 20 injured

I honestly dont know if the things you listed would help or not. I have concerns/questions on a few of them, and some of them might be good ideas in general even if they may not affect gun violence. Im for doing something to make kids not scared of going to school, or to a Garlic Festival, or the movies, or heck outside in general though.

 

How are these things not going to be helpful?:

Hold gun owners accountable for gun deaths
AR style weapons illegal
Random gun checks by law enforcement to make sure guns are locked away
Illegal to buy gun out of state
Illegal to privately sell guns

I mean what am i missing. Does it fix everything? Nope. But not sure how it doesn’t help?

 

Well what do you mean hold gun owners accountable for gun deaths? Seems like punishing all gun owners because of another's action is a slippery slope.
Random Gun checks? Alcohol kills a lot of people, are we going to start randomly checking everyone’s house with police just stopping by to make sure the alcohol is in the liquor cabinet? Can you imagine how bad that could or would be for minorities. Now cops can literally go in there homes whenever they please and call it a Gun check? This seems like it could go seriously wrong...

When talking about the popular vote thing this got brought up, discrimination based on location. Were saying nationally were all equal to feds and should have the same rights now matter where were from but were also saying where your from we can discriminate by not allowing you to purchase something. Its not a great argument I’ll admit. I kind of think the opposite, no private gun sales and take it out of the states hands completely. Make federal gun laws that are mandatory across all states. Databases are kept nationally, and buying a gun requires a federal background check, where your at doesn't matter, where your from doesn't matter. The federal government should know who has guns, and what kind and it shouldn't rely or let some states have weak guns laws.


Some of this is playing DA for sure, but I also think some of the suggestions do in fact create concerns.

 

If your gun gets out of your hands and kills someone - you are held responsible. Not the the actual crime (murder or robbery) but there is a lack of control over your weapon and you need to know where it is at all times and lock it up.

Random gun checks. Yep. Get over it gun owners.

 

I just dont agree I guess. On either account. I down own a gun. I took my parents car out at times without telling them where I was going, had I hurt someone with it, it wasnt there fault.
A lack of control, is just reality, not a single person anywhere has complete control of all the variables around them, and to punish people for simply not being omniscient doesnt make sense to me.

Get over it isnt an argument, if I said no gun checks, non-gun owners get over it. Thats what exactly? Just saying Im right and will not hear anything else?

Im for reasonable gun control laws, I am not for treating gun owners like the are second class citizens solely because they own a gun, which seems to be what you’re advocating for.

You own a gun and now the government has a permanent warrant to enter your house whenever they feel like? Nah...

 

No thanks to a police state.

 

Modifying the second amendment and/or removal and destroying firearms will be the beginning of the process.

 

I think there are reasonable discussions to be had and it makes sense to enact laws (federally). My problem is mostly that the NRA and certain groups have this, "2nd amendment rah, rah, thing" and other groups tend to want to drop the hammer so hard that it swings it entirely to a point it creates many other issues. I think there is a middle ground that can be met that would make it harder for people to get guns who wouldn't use them responsibly.

The problem is, it's a compromise and both sides would leave with things they're happy about it and things that they aren't. I realize there are some things we shouldn't compromise on but in my opinion, this is an issue that should be.