Notice Matisse Thybulle came to Portland via the Josh Hart trade

Dillon Brooks got $20m. There is certainly a market for Hart's talent / production. By any reasonable measure, Josh Hart is a much better player than Brooks.

PER: 17.4 vs 9.4
VORP: 1.0 vs -1.1
WS: 2.8 vs 1.6
WS/48: 0.179 vs 0.034

Sorry, I don't believe in any way and shape that Brooks can get $20m/year and Hart can not. This makes no sense. If Hart really wanted to chase the money - he would have done so. Instead, he chose to create a path to reunite with his college championship crew in NY - and allow them to extend him next year when Evan Fournier gets off the books. You will see that this is exactly what is going to happen next year, it's pretty obvious if you know the history of these guys.

 

None of us win when the GM is making trades that downgrade the roster. Talent for talent, Hart is superior to Matisse and it's not even close. You don't even know what you're arguing anymore.

 

Nate just stop it just cause you did a pod with TB or have something on youtube does not make you an expert or whatever on the Blazers your just making yourself look silly right now.

 

How is that relevant when that's basically less than what he was making?

 

Did you bother to take a look at how many teams were under the cap? I know you didn't so don't even lie.

Everything you're saying is conjecture. You, like Cronin, come at it in a position of weakness. Oh, we can't do anything because this guy and that guy want to go somewhere else but are under contract.

Your mentality is why we're a lottery team as soon as Cronin took over. I hope you enjoy.

 

I don't understand the relevance of you telling people to read the CBA in general. But the MLE is 12.2. He makes 12.9. Guys sacrifice a little bit of $$ to be some where they prefer. With his statements on his wife, I don't think it's at all far fetched to think he would opt out if still here, and sign for 12.2 elsewhere. But you know what? It doesn't matter! You can't prove he would have stayed here. I can't prove he would have left. I think it's pretty obvious with statements about his wife, that he would have left. But regardless, we traded away a free agent, or potential free agent, for an all defensive team level wing and a 1st round pick. That's great value for an expiring guy.
Here's where you can shout again about Joe being fleeced.

 

What are you even talking about?

 

Josh Hart as a Blazer hesitatingly shot 30.4% from 3
Matisse shot 38.8% from 3 and was willing to shoot
Being a free agent and having his and his wife's families in Maryland on the east coast, Josh's wife didn't like flying that far to be with family. Josh wanted to go to New York..we helped him and got Mattisse, Reddish and the 23rd pick (Murray) in the deal....no way we lost that trade as he could have walked for nothing like Lamarcus did. I don't get why this isn't a clearly good move by the Blazers. Josh could've asked to be back in Portland after the season...he didn't.

 

So first of all, I'm not going to debate this with you until we know what he signs for, but there's no way in hell we would re-sign Hart for 20 million per year and that's what some people are reporting he will sign for.

Second, there was plenty of reports that he wanted to be back on the east coast with his wife. Joe even said that he worked with Josh to get him where he wanted to be and Josh came out and spoke very highly of this organization. So you're the one who has literally zero actual evidence to stand on.

 

I don't need to find all these teams, I just need to find one. Hart opted in a day before Brooks signed his new contract.

Sorry, and what you say is not? Somehow you don't believe that a player of Hart's caliber has a market, yet there is an obvious example of a lesser player finding more.

I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the Portland Trailblazers organization. I can assure you that my mentality, not matter what you read into it, has no bearing on the team's success on the court.

All I am doing is combining multiple pieces of information with some history to understand what is happening. You are welcome to disbelieve it, but it is pretty clear to me (and many others) what is happening, and we got enough clues from Cronin, Hart himself etc... that seem to indicate we are correct.

 

Small sample size for a guy who found his way kicked out of the rotation, no?

Okay. We're a significantly inferior team replacing Hart with who we got back. But keep telling yourself otherwise.

 

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Pay attention.

 

You're welcome to your opinion. I don't need to tell myself..my post was in response to your opinion. Hart was not disgruntled nor was Mattisse....sounds like you were though. Matisse...two time all NBA defense. We didn't get worse. Murray is going to be really good too.

 

More memes, Nathaniel.

 

We picked 7th and 3rd in seasons we had Hart. We sucked anyways! If we're vastly inferior now, then maybe we'll get the top pick.

 

Just accept the L. This is excruciating.

 

Yeah, Cronin lying to Dame and the vets to sit down for the second half of the season and not having any size on the roster doesn't have anything to do with our record. Sure.

But that ain't Joe's fault either. Lol

 

LOL dude....

Josh Hart is 28 years old. He's going to sign for a lot more money with the Knicks. Why would we bring him back on this team? Is he better than Thybulle? Sure, and he's going to get paid like it.

Completely ignoring the fact that there was a TON of smoke about him not wanting to come back because of his family, we signed Thybulle for half of what the Knicks are probably going to sign Hart for.

We got a really good defensive player who is younger and signed for A LOT less money than what Hart is going to sign for. We also got Kris Murray, who may or may not work out, but he fits our timeline a lot better than Hart.

 

And here I thought it was ME that was the one driving people away and keeping people from joining and needing to be put on IGNORE. I’m confused @SlyPokerDog