Matisse Thybulle Signs Full-MLE Offer with Mavericks / Blazers match

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  1. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    no time to watch, care to paraphrase??
    thx
     
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    Grant thanks Joe and group. MT says how getting a second contract means you have made it. Never thanks anyone. LOL.
     
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    First question to both is about how is the Dame situation playing into your situation. Grant- all the right words and praises Joe. MT- I signed a sheet and they matched it. Not really feeling the love, but I stop around the 5 minute mark.
     
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    That's just not correct. Look at many good teams around the NBA, and lots let guys walk for no value. A quick glance:

    Lakers: Let Beasley sign with the Bucks. He started 14 games and averaged 23.9 mpg for the Lakers after the trade.
    Denver: Lost Brown to Indiana. He played 28.5 mpg last year and was obviously an important guy in the playoffs
    Golden State: Donte DiVincenzo started 36 games and averaged 26.3 mpg. He signed with the Knicks.
    Miami: Gabe Vincent started 34 games and averaged 25.9 mpg. Signed with the Lakers.
    OKC: Dario Saric averaged 14.7 mpg last year between Phoenix and OKC, but the Thunder let him walk to Golden State.
    Philadelphia: Georges Niang averaged 19.4 mpg last year in 78 games, but he signed with Cleveland.
    Phoenix: Torrey Craig went to Chicago. He started 60 games last year and averaged 24.7 mpg.

    That's just at a quick glance, and I ignored some older guys like Eric Gordon.

    Thybulle played 27.7 mpg for the Blazers, starting 22 (of 23) games for a truly horrible team. Dallas was willing to offer him so much money because they have two amazing offensive players and want to win now... Portland is not Dallas, and spending as much money on Matisse as Dallas would is not smart. Thybulle is a borderline rotation guy for good teams, and I don't believe that most teams would pay (let alone automatically match) three years, $33m, just in the name of letting "an asset" walk. I think that ths summer and the quick glance above demonstrates that.

    Thybulle was had for next to nothing at the trade deadline last year, and now he's a year older and paid significantly more, which means his trade value will be next to (or maybe actually) nothing. He will either be playing out of position at the small forward or he will be taking minutes from younger, more promising, guys who are the future of our franchise. It was a bad decision to match.

    The Blazers are inconsistent about their timeline to win and inexplicably invested in the same veterans that haven't made much of a difference in winning (Nurk, Grant, and now Thybulle). That is not the way NBA rosters should be built, salary cap money should be spent, and winning teams are managed.
     
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    Given that interview, I imagine Thybulle is not long for this team.
     
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    Not sure about it, around 3:45 he said "I'm here and I'm happy to be here". I imagine he might have wanted to be in Dallas since Portland did not offer him a contract - but seems to be happy where-ever he is.
     
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    none of those players was a restricted free agent
     
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    Only if he is not good enough to play in Portland. What I took away from the interview was his comment about how good his friends and family thought he played once he was given a larger role. IMO he just wants to play and if he can't break into this rotation where can he?
     
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    For what it's worth Stein is a lifelong Mavs fan.
     
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    Matisse should have been holding up today's newspaper during that press conference. It's clear we are holding him hostage.
     
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    Grant did not say much as he’s not a big talker. The only thing I can say is January 15. He’s going to work hard. Be a professional. His role is large at both ends. When he’s eligible for a trade, that’s when we see his and the Blazers’ plans.

    [Imagine no trade of Lillard for months. Nurkic slides into the Nets TPE. Lillard and Grant go to the Nets for Simmons, CamJohnson and Claxton + 2 picks (Dallas and 76ers).]

    Matisse gave thoughtful responses. Smart guy. He didn’t thank everyone for matching a contract offer, but he already knows that with Dame gone, there are more opportunities for others to eat. With the 2nd contract and good money, he’s an NBA player with a career. He can do more for the team. If anyone had asked him about Powell’s Books, he would have talked a bunch more.
     
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    Yes, I thought Thybulle's answer was a little odd. Said that his agent said there was no connection between what Lillard was doing and Thybulle's restricted free agency. And so that's that.
     
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    Is it just me or does Matisse look like Kal Penn?
     
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    I don't buy that Dallas wanted Thybulle so bad - if thats the case they give up three second round picks for him at the deadline.

    I was against matching Thybulle for the full MLE but that would've been 4 years ~50+ million. I'm good with matching at 3 years 33 million.

    He might be a tad overpaid, but even if so he's a great defender, has NW ties so more likely to be happy here long term, is a very cerebral player that is very well prepared. I think he'll be a great locker room veteran guy and help show Scoot/Sharpe how to defend. He has upside if he can contribute offensively - it could work out to be an Aminu addition back when we signed him in 2015. Thats a player that will have trade value or on court value if the Blazers become competitive sooner than we think. Yeah theres a good chance Thybulle falls short of that level, fine. He has way more youth and upside than for example GP2 did last summer.

    The Grant contract has huge downside risk if he doesn't play well at the start of the season, it could become a boat anchor like all the crappy 2016 deals. This Thybulle deal just doesn't have that risk, its more like Aminu/Ed Davis deals. Even if Thybulle plays poorly its a cheap enough deal to be filler in a trade in a year or two.
     
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    Thybulle is restricted from joining Dallas for 1 year now.
    He also essentially has a no-trade clause for the next 12 months too.
     
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    I meant they would've beat our deal to acquire him months ago for two 2nd rounders, if these reports are true that they wanted him strongly for a long time. I'm not buying that story.
     

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