Matthews is absolutely top ten SG

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  1. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Man, Wesley's TS% is insane. He's shooting the ball better than JJ Redick and Klay Thompson.

    Monta Ellis is, has always been and always will be a chucker. He has an insanely high USG, above Wade and just below Harden. On our team, he'd just take shots away from more efficient scorers. Plus, Wesley plays WAY better defense.

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    There's a definite dearth of elite shooting guards in the league right now, so sure I can see top ten.
     
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    Damn Wizard is dropping knowledge. Good find!
     
  4. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I also found it interesting that OKC basically gave away 2 of the top 3 SGs on that list. That's what tight wad owners will do for you. They could have had a dynasty if they'd just paid Martin what he's worth. They could have amnestied Perkins (and his 3.9 PER) and just started Collison, who plays more minutes and is more productive than Perkins. And, this year, they have Steven Adams, who also plays more minutes and is way more productive than Perkins.

    I hadn't realized that Kevin Martin was off to such a great start in MIN. No wonder they're winning. SG has been a huge weakness for them for years. Given Rubio's historically bad shooting, they REALLY need a good shooting 2 to play beside him. Martin gives them that, someone who can stretch the defense, creating lanes for Rubio to penetrate.

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    Wesley Matthews @wessywes2
    Noted RT @artman2k5: @nbastats @wessywes2 no mid-range game, but who cares. He gets the job done. Great fantasy asset!!
     
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    Lol I'm nuts because I put him 3rd instead of 4th?
     
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    Nice. Get 'em, Wes!
     
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    wes has the 6th best PER among SGs, and the lowest USG in the top 20

    theres no way he can keep this up, though i expect him to still be top 10 or so in PER by seasons end
     
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    I feel bad for Wes, but happy for us he was left off the all star ballot. I am sure he is pissed that Sacramento has two guards on the ballot (Greivis Vasquez, Thomas) and he was not......

    Technically it is a moot point as the world wide all star vote is absurd, and his his only chance is from the coaches anyways. So I see this a good thing for us. Anything to fuel his fire.....
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    You're nuts because the gulf between Wade and any of those three is wider than the Grand Canyon. There are plenty of other shooting guards that are arguably better than Wade; those three, there is no argument.
     
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    I never watched West play so I have no leg to stand on there but Wade is easily one of the best SG of all time. His career stats are great at 25/6/5 on 49% and he is a REALLY good defender in the post and on the perimeter. Plus the 3 rings...
     
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    New home game rule. Since we don't shoot free throws chant MVP anytime one of our guys has the ball behind the arc.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    I may be the only one, but whenever I see a top 10 list of any position I usually throw LeBron in there mentally. I know he doesn't play all these positions regularly, but it's a little thought experiment I do:

    "If I had no other starting PG, and I were forced to use LeBron at that position, would he be one of the 10 best in the league?" "Yes, he would."
    "If I had no other starting SG, and I were forced to use LeBron at that position, would he be one of the 10 best in the league?" "Yes, he would."
    "If I had no other starting SF, and I were forced to use LeBron at that position, would he be one of the 10 best in the league?" "Yes, he would."
    "If I had no other starting PF, and I were forced to use LeBron at that position, would he be one of the 10 best in the league?" "Yes, he would."
    "If I had no other starting C, and I were forced to use LeBron at that position, would he be one of the 10 best in the league?" "Yes, he would."

    The question is always, "Where in the top 10 would he be?" when I ask myself that. We're lucky to live in an era with a guy like him.
     
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    We are certainly getting quality production out of all three which is the reason the team is doing so well at the moment. To suggest that we have the new big three might be a bit premature. First we have the whole issue that Lebron's Value Added is essentially equal to Wes and Lillards.

    We are doing well but Miami is still the defending champions and until that changes they are still the best big three in the league. Not to under value the whole team concept but this is the NBA and not Major League Baseball. One player can make all the difference.
     
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    Welcome to RipCityTwo!

    One thing that has me so optimistic is how well we played Miami last year, with no bench or true center. Really looking forward to the matchup this season.
     
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    Welcome sir. Rookies must turn in their man bags and exchange them for hello kitty bags.
     
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    Welcome cmeese. If you hate the timberwolves we will love you
     
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    Drexler is better than Wade. Not close. Drexler didn't play with Shaq or LeBron.
     
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    No reason to hate the Timberwolves. I love Kevin Love but the rest of the team just is not relevant. If you are going to hate someone hate someone with a chance to win it all. Like the Heat.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    OK, according to Hollinger's stats Wesley is currently the 5th best SG in the league. If you go to 82games.com, you will see Wesley is leading our team in both Net Production (+10.5) and Net On Court/Off Court (+11.6). That gives him the highest Simple Rating (+10.9) on the team. The real key to Wesley's high Net Production and Simple Rating is his defense. His own production is 19.2 and he's holding his opponents' production to 8.7, best on the team by a substantial margin.

    So, I thought I'd look at 82games.com rankings for Simple Rating and see how Wesley compares to other SGs. As with Hollinger's stats, Wesley also ranks 5th among SG in this ranking. At +10.9, he trails only Klay Thompson (+14.0), J.J. Redick (+13.5), James Harden (+13.1) and Jimmy Butler (+11.1).

    If you look at just individual Net Production, Wesley is 4th among SGs, at +10.5. He trails only Harden (+15.5), Butler (+13.5) and Kevin Martin (+12.4).

    Tomorrow night's match-up between Wesley Matthews and Jimmy Butler should be interesting. As good as Matthews' defense has been, Butler's has been even better. Butler doesn't just lead all SGs in Opp Production (4.4), he leads the entire league. Butler is the better defender, but Matthews is a better offensive player. It will be interesting to see how these two match-up. Will Butler's defense shut down Matthews' offense? Will Matthews' defense hold Butler below his average?

    Should be fun to watch. By these advanced statistical rankings, both players are currently among the top 5 SGs in the league. I know it's still early, but I doubt very few people would have projected both players to be among the top 5 in the league at their position. I know it's still early, but both players are among the top 5 for their position in terms of net production and both are helping their teams win.

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