McCain/Palin The priveliges of being white

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  1. Jurassic

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    LOL? Well yeah, and it wouldn't work to say that he's white, look at him. I'm not saying he should have tried to run as a "white male". I'm saying that in this case (all cases really), color is skin deep, no deeper. What makes a white person, and what makes a black person? He's had some of both, so to say that he's where is he because he is black only applies if you are referring to skin color and that alone, not how he was raised, and NOT who he is.

    Great post mook, nepotism sure is a bitch. So I guess we could all agree that Obama is no more guilty than any of the other politicians who have resorted to using things other than their qualifications to get into office. Although I don't know if all of those other politicians received the same scrutiny over it.
     
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    I don't think Obama himself is using his race as a crutch, far from it. However, I believe many of his supporters are using his race to place him on a pedestal of stature.
     
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    Barrack Obama is where he is today, for the main part, because he caught the attention of the Democratic Party leaders as a gifted young politician, was given the opportunity to be the keynote speaker 4 years ago at the DNC, and gave a speech that sent shivers through the political world. Without that speech, he'd be laboring away in the Senate as the junior senator from Illinois. He also had the audacity to hope that his lack of experience on the national scene could be overcome by his ability to present himself, rightly or wrongly, as bright, articulate, and an agent of change; and thereby defeat politicians with considerably more experience and national prominence. Could he have pulled that off if he weren't black? It might have been harder, but ,yeah, I think so. The Republicans are certainly hoping that a guy like Bobby Jindal can do the same thing for them in the future. Being smart and articulate are much more important to being a viable candidate than race, IMHO.

    BTW, whoever wrote that diatribe in the OP is an idiot.
     
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    Well, don't forget he's also there because his opponent for the senate seat was in sex clubs! IMO, Barack's term as a senator was merely an extension of his run for President, nothing more.
     
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    Unlike Obama, Jindal has actual accomplishments. His handling of the recent hurricane was FANTASTIC.
     
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    Without question. Barack Obama is spectacularly unqualified to be President.
     
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    I wonder if this theory applies to all aspects of life?

    Guys like Larry Bird, Lil Wayne, Jackie Chan, Carlos Mencia, etc should all just be very thankful that they were born the races that they were. Otherwise they would be mediocre in their respective fields?

    As a black man who plans on being a lawyer, I wonder if I'll ever be able to accomplish anything without it being "only because he is black". Sad.
     
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    He wouldn't be the nominee if it weren't for his skin color. I can't even see how that's debatable. If he's not black, he's Ken Salazar.
     
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    Oh, dear. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between the people you just named and Sen. Obama. Do you believe politics to be a true meritocracy?
     
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    Doesn't really matter to me, Hillary wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for her last name and gender. There are plenty of comparable examples.
     
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    Extreme examples to prove a point....this is a message board, nearly impossible to detect tone.

    At the same time its sad that you've never heard people attribute these people's skills to their race. Steve Nash went through it when he won MVP over Shaq, people go through this nonsense every day. Dirk constantly gets compared to Bird simply because both are white. Although people act like Barrack only benefits from being black, I haven't heard a single person acknowledge that he also suffers a lot of disadvantages for it.

    And I've only heard one person note that it is not him who uses his race as an advantage, but his supporters. Also, if a white male with Barracks qualifications had been up against Hillary, who is to say that she would have won? A big part of her downfall was Bill being too involved in her campaign, it wasn't all about qualifications imo.
     
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    Absolutely right. For once I'd like to see candidates who were nominated because of their excellence, not because of identity politics.
     
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    Until the demon known as Affirmative Action is slayed, I'm afraid you'll always have that over your head.
     
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    Thank you. If she had beaten out Barrack then the masses would be saying that she won because of her gender and name, and they would probably also be saying that Barrack's race hurt his chances and that America wasn't ready. :confused:

    There are so many double standards. In my opinion a huge one that was overlooked was comparing Palin to Hillary. Granted, most are over the fact that Palin's teen is pregnant, but in the beginning many said that if she can't run her own home how can she run the country? Well it applies to Hillary as well, who had her husband cheat on her.
     
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    That's real talk Xerick, for better or worse. The qualified minorities are viewed as unqualified once hired, and some who really are unqualified will be hired. Some in the majority who are more qualified will lose out on jobs unfairly, others in the majority who are unqualified and not hired will whine that it is because of affirmative action.
     
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    It sucks but its the truth. I have had people relate to me that they won't go to black doctors because they were affirmative action hires and are likely less qualified. Granted, you can't make gross generalizations on things like this, but when you make policy to overlook qualifications and factor race into something, its sadly a consideration that is in people's heads. I'm sure there are books on this.
     
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    This is utter nonsense.

    If there's one opening in medical school and 10 people score 100% on the entrance exams and 1 is black, AA says take the black candidate. He's no less qualified.

    Any doctor who graduates school has a very good chance of being a fine doctor, regardless of race.
     
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    No. With Affirmative Action, you can take a black (or American Indian or Mexican) candidate with markedly decreased academic qualifications. I believe there was a famous example of this in the media a few years ago where the practice was criticized.

    For Affirmative Action, the BAR IS LOWERED. It is an unfair and unamerican practice in which qualifications are made not of the content of one's character, but of the color of one's skin.

    It happens in jobs, it happens in schools, and it happens everywhere in life. I find it personally ridiculous that one's race should be a factor in any of these situations.
     
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    This is still wrong.

    If the bar is lowered in one case, that is the exception to the rule.
     
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    The bar is always lowered. IT is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule. By making preferences based on race and setting quotas, you are automatically lowering the bar.

    Finding two identically qualified candidates (or 10) is impossible to do. Therefore, race becomes a factor and qualifications are looked over in favor of race, which is absurd.
     

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