McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special prviliges" during meeting

    Let's assume LBJ signs with the bulls and gets his guys in various places in the organization. Let's say he's the only big FA they sign so the starting lineup next year is Rose, LBJ at the 2/guarding 2's, Deng at the 3/guarding 3's, Gibson and Noah. And let's say around January LBJ gets tired of chasing 2's off screens and wants changes made. Deng's the obvious guy to go, but how does that go down? Is it Forman as a single point of contact working the phones, gauging interest, and eventually working a trade at the deadline? Or is it Forman saying one thing, Maverick Carter calling other GM's saying another thing, one of LBJ's cronies in a quasi asst. GM calling saying a third thing, and World Wide Wes being asked for a scoop by ESPN and saying a fourth thing about how LBJ is better than Deng and Deng is killing the bulls by forcing LBJ out of position and thereby killing the lockerroom?... The bulls sure as hell didn't ask Jordan whether he thought it was a good idea to trade Oakley for a backup center who turned out to be a key starter on three championship teams.

    Which do you think is the better way to get a deal done?
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    Well put, bullshooter. We'd much rather have the GM making trades to add to a roster that has Hinrich on it than have someone else make trades to add to a roster that has LeBron on it.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    Wow guys, he's not going to turn down the Bulls because of his friends. WWWes is one of his close friends and he doesn't just submit himself to him, or he'd be a Bull already. If it was just about the money and other shallow stuff he wouldn't be contemplating anything.

    Anyway he has strong ties to Cleveland, he would prefer to win there over any other place. If he leaves I also get that.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special prviliges" during meeting

    I have to agree with Denny. The second three-peat was a shit show of unprecedented proportions. You had an egomanichal coach who openly battled the GM; and egomanichal superstar who was compulsively angry and had a gambling addiction; an egomanichal superstar who looked to wear women's clothes; and an egomanichal superstar who was known as being standoffish.

    If I were Reinsdorf, I would do whatever it took to land Lebron. I would then change my home and cell numbers and make sure that no one from the GM to the ballboy could get in touch with me. I would cut the monthly checks, let the inmates run the asylum, and watch as the championship rings rolled in.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special prviliges" during meeting

    As I've written too many times to count, I've never heard anyone in the organization say, "Whatever it takes!"

    The bottom line is you win championships with a player who's arguably the best in the league, and then a solid supporting cast.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    You guys are so wrong its laughable. Do you think Kupchak asks Kobe what he thinks of letting Ariza go and signing Artest? For even a second? Or drafting Bynum. Good teams don't let players make moves. They may ask for some input to make sure there are no simmering feuds, but put buddies in management positions, that's ridiculous. You guys don't have the first fucking clue. And if Lebron is asking for that kind of power, he's never going to win a championship.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special prviliges" during meeting

    None of those players made personnel decisions or had buddies in the front office.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    Odd that you bring up Kobe. He coerced the Lakers to trade away Shaq and then there was this:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2909549

    The Lakers passed up a possible opportunity to acquire star guard Jason Kidd from the New Jersey Nets at the trade deadline in February because they didn't want to part with the 19-year-old Bynum -- a 7-footer taken with the 10th overall pick in the draft two years ago.

    "Are you kidding me?" Bryant says in the video before using several profanities in adding that the Lakers should "ship out" Bynum.

    Bryant also spoke in negative tones about Kupchak. Bryant called the Lakers' front office "a mess" in a radio interview the day before first making public his desire to be traded.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special prviliges" during meeting

    How about the trade for Rodman. You think they didn't talk it over with Jordan and Pippen?
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    They shipped Shaq out because the owner didn't want to pay him. Not because Kobe didn't want him. Seems like Kobe wanted Bynum shipped out and Kupchak held on to him, which is my point.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special prviliges" during meeting

    Given the acrimony, no I don't think Krause talked it over with Pippen and Jordan. He did probably talk with PJ though.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    And the Bulls sent basically the same guys to woo Kobe that they sent to woo LeBron and Kobe stayed. Go figure.

    They shipped Shaq out because Kobe worked his ass off during the offseason and Shaq grew to 320 lbs while acting in the movies instead of working out. The animosity between the two players is well documented.

    Anyhow:

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5397513/

    In stark contrast to the downcast mood in Los Angeles, which was fueled in part by lingering uncertainty over whether Kobe Bryant will also leave the Lakers, the sensation in Miami was diametrically different.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    They could have let Shaq's contract run out and they would have had cap space. But Kobe was not going to play with him any longer so they had to get rid of Shaq quickly. They ended up taking Brian Grant's poison pill 14 million a year contract (for 3 more seasons). Odom-Butler is also not championship caliber with Bryant.

    They set themselves back a few years while they were stuck in mediocrity. Finally 4 seasons later they got a trade in their favor.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    That wasn't nearly the same situation. The bulls weren't nearly the same team they are now. That'd be like Lebron leaving for the clippers....
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    The Bulls were a 49 win team, right? Right.

    And you're right, the bulls weren't nearly the same 41 win team they are now.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    As usual, wrong. Kobe was a FA after the 04-05 season and that's when he was "intrigued" by the young bulls team, but it wasn't even close to being a contender at that point. After 06-07 Kobe threw a hissy fit after getting knocked out of the playoffs and was going to demand a trade. Kupchak ignored him and they didn't even begin to talk about it.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    In 2007, the Bulls sent PaxDorf to LA to try and facilitate a trade for Kobe, involving Deng and/or Gordon of all people. In fact, the failed trade and the bruised egos of the Bulls players rumored to be involved in the deal were given as an excuse for the Bulls' poor start and 33 win finish, following their 49 win season.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/24796-kobe-to-bulls-trade-scenarios

    Rumors circulating around L.A. have the Bulls suggesting a package of Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and Andres Nocioni for Kobe Bryant, which sounds questionable because Nocioni can't be traded until Dec. 15. The Lakers were said to have mocked that possibility.The Bulls, sources say, have put Luol Deng off limits in any trade discussions. Believing the Bulls will not consider moving Deng, the Lakers are said to have asked for four pieces from the Bulls, including at least two from among Gordon, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Wallace. Reportedly hearing that, Bryant balked, sending word that if he is traded to Chicago -- and he has the only full no-trade contract in the NBA -- he wants to play with Wallace.

    Chicago Tribune
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Did-Kobe-Bryant-Kill-Bulls-Season?&id=1035427

    Did Kobe Bryant Kill Bulls Season?

    The Chicago Bulls had a terrible time getting out of the gate this NBA season. Part of the problem was the talk of Kobe Bryant wanting out of the Lakers, and into the Bulls. Part of the problem was key Bulls players freaking out, thinking they were on the next plane out to Los Angeles. Poor excuse for a lost Bulls season. The Kobe Bryant talks went nowhere, but neither did the Bulls season.

    The Bulls are fighting for the last playoff spot in the NBA East, but the season began with so much more promise than that. The Kobe Bryant talk for whatever reason, took the concentration level down to the point where loss after loss just kept on piling for the Bulls. It would have been nice if John Paxson would have squashed such talk, but he never said that Kobe Bryant talks were off. That is because they lingered, and so did the Bulls' attention.

    Fault needs to go to ex-Bulls Coach Scott Skiles, who could not turn the team's attention back around to the NBA task at hand. Fault to key players like Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon, who helped dig such a deep hole for the Bulls, that it may not allow them into the NBA Playoffs, an unimaginable thought before the NBA season.

    So Kobe Bryant stayed put with the Lakers, edging perhaps towards his first NBA MVP. Ironically, the poor Bulls season will lead to a new round of trade talks, but not for Kobe Bryant.
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    The talks went nowhere, it wasn't even close in 07 and never more than a phone call. They would have had to give up all the guys Kobe wanted to play with and Kobe would have vetoed the trade...
     
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    Re: McGraw buries lead: Bulls denied James' team "special priviliges" during meeting

    Bulls mgmt are shit heads. Sign Lebron first and then tell him the rules.
     

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