<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>I did not mean to open this can of worms. I simply thought this would follow the same line as an article I read on Fred Smoot who has Democratic leanings/background despite being in a more GOP lifestyle/income bracket the URL mentioned by ROTR is; www.Barber-shop-talk.com. </div> Well, it's not your fault. Some folks have a pre-programmed recorded message that comes out as soon as you pull that string behind their neck.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Salt Lake Trib and Desert news are liberal propoganda, not worth wiping my ass with.</div> The most conservative state in the nation w/ 2 liberal rags? I think not; But then, the Florida media is the epitome of moderation, wisdom, & balance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, it's not your fault. Some folks have a pre-programmed recorded message that comes out as soon as you pull that string behind their neck.</div> I guess Independent thought is becoming less prevalant & is not looked highly on these days. Is it more desirable to just go along w/ the party line? If so, pretty sad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Saddam did not have WMD's he did have 300,000 tons of weapons, which have been captured now so terrorists wont have them... left wing tactic accuse your opponent of what you are doing...Bush does not change his position</div> Saddam was not the only place terrorists were going to get weapons. In fact, they could've waited & become allies of the US and gotten 'em for a song. Just ask the mijahaddein/taliban. So, What about the right wing tactic of being Holier than thou? Yes, Its true. W does not change his position. That would require thinking. Had he thought and analyzed the intelligence himself rather than just blindly followed what Rumsfeld & Dick Cheney wanted then we would not be in this mess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>One of my favorite song lyrics of all time sums up John Kerry..... "You dont need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"....thats correct, you dont, just watch Kerry vote, then you will know which way the wind was blowing that day.... Eagles4life....let me get this straight, you are pro-saddam, pro-communism, pro-coldwar soviet union? I can see why you dont like Bush, hes an american, a capitalist, and a patriot, all things you seem to despise....</div> No no no and no again. I just look at the big picture. Was the world a safer place when you have two world powers balancing each other out. I would say yes. Was the world a more safer place with the Saddam then with the chaos that is his country now, I would say yes. I am not pro-communism, but I am not pro-war either. I have seen way too many people die for the wrong reasons. And that is not American, even though you think it is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'> Well, it's not your fault. Some folks have a pre-programmed recorded message that comes out as soon as you pull that string behind their neck.</div> I guess Independent thought is becoming less prevalant & is not looked highly on these days. Is it more desirable to just go along w/ the party line? If so, pretty sad.</div> You are absolutely right. I do not consider myself a Republican or a Democrat. I vote for the best candidate. I am just highly bother by the whole situation, how bush has made this country worse. Quote Reagan "Are we a better country now then we were 4 years ago"?. My answer is no.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'> I vote for the best candidate.</div> Make up your mind, are you voting for Kerry or the best candidate . . .bush?
It's funny when people say that terrorists attacked us. Has anybody sat down to think maybe that it was'nt terrorist that attacked us. Maybe this country is so crooked that they staged an attack on themselves just to start a war with Iraq. Before anyone judges Bush or Kerry you have to think they're not the ones that run this country. They're just the puppets that are being controlled. I personally think Bush is the Antichrist, and i personally feel as though if he wins again we might be headed towards another World War. But i also believe that if Kerry's elected than he'll be assinated and it will be up to Mr. Edwards to be the puppet. So to me they're both going to steer this country wrong. But then again i'm just another irrational American that has no clue.
Bush is not the antichrist, read the bible. It says that the antichrist will be well liked. Hmmm, 45 % of america and almost all the world hate bush.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bush is not the antichrist, read the bible. It says that the antichrist will be well liked. Hmmm, 45 % of america and almost all the world hate bush.</div> And yet BF1, you still want him to be the president. I just dont get it, just dont get it.
Uhhh what dont you get, that 45% of americans are idiots. Or that most of the world is a socialist quagmire of dwindling economies and jealous individuals. Most countries hate america cuz we are top dog, no one is better. A lot of americans have started to join in to this via class warfare, the rich are supressing the poor BS. It is free enterprise, people who arent successful are not successful because of thier own laziness and incompetence. We do not need to redistribute wealth. If you want that move to france.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe this country is so crooked that they staged an attack on themselves just to start a war with Iraq. Before anyone judges Bush or Kerry you have to think they're not the ones that run this country. They're just the puppets that are being controlled...</div> Crooked. That is what Randy McMichael in the initial post of this thread. I've often theorized that the Evangelicals in the executive branch & the Saudi fundamentalists are 2 horses out of the same stable. War, more often than not, has a basis in economic reasons. Remember, Rumsfield was a special envoy to Saddam in the 80's. His company (Bechtel) & Halliburton formerly run by the VP still do business w/ Iran & Iraq. How many former government types from around the World go to work for the Carlyle Group which allegedly is just a think tank/private equity firm but we all know is the pinnacle of the one World Gov't i.e New World Order. So, BB&G has point about the politicians being controlled. Say isn't Gov't being run like or by a corporation Fascism? Why Yes. It is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'> Maybe this country is so crooked that they staged an attack on themselves just to start a war with Iraq. Before anyone judges Bush or Kerry you have to think they're not the ones that run this country. They're just the puppets that are being controlled...</div> Crooked. That is what Randy McMichael in the initial post of this thread. I've often theorized that the Evangelicals in the executive branch & the Saudi fundamentalists are 2 horses out of the same stable. War, more often than not, has a basis in economic reasons. Remember, Rumsfield was a special envoy to Saddam in the 80's. His company (Bechtel) & Halliburton formerly run by the VP still do business w/ Iran & Iraq. How many former government types from around the World go to work for the Carlyle Group which allegedly is just a think tank/private equity firm but we all know is the pinnacle of the one World Gov't i.e New World Order. So, BB&G has point about the politicians being controlled. Say isn't Gov't being run like or by a corporation Fascism? Why Yes. It is.</div> Consiparcy theorists unite. Not a believable conclusion, and no fact to back it up, but way to draw things together
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'> Maybe this country is so crooked that they staged an attack on themselves just to start a war with Iraq. Before anyone judges Bush or Kerry you have to think they're not the ones that run this country. They're just the puppets that are being controlled...</div> Crooked. That is what Randy McMichael in the initial post of this thread. I've often theorized that the Evangelicals in the executive branch & the Saudi fundamentalists are 2 horses out of the same stable. War, more often than not, has a basis in economic reasons. Remember, Rumsfield was a special envoy to Saddam in the 80's. His company (Bechtel) & Halliburton formerly run by the VP still do business w/ Iran & Iraq. How many former government types from around the World go to work for the Carlyle Group which allegedly is just a think tank/private equity firm but we all know is the pinnacle of the one World Gov't i.e New World Order. So, BB&G has point about the politicians being controlled. Say isn't Gov't being run like or by a corporation Fascism? Why Yes. It is.</div> Consiparcy theorists unite. Not a believable conclusion, and no fact to back it up, but way to draw things together</div> So what you are actually saying is that you don't *believe* the facts BA presented about Rummsfeld, Betcel/Hallibutton, and that the VP's company does buisness with sworn enemies of the US? It's not that the facts aren't there, you seem to just be sticking your index fingers in your ears and talking really loud trying not to hear them.
I was referring to the statement " we all know the carlyle group is the pinnacle of the on world gov't i.e. new world order. Just because the carlyle group highers people from who have had a great amount of success does not necessarily infer a conspiracy. Halliburton does do business with sworn enemies of the US, however the fact the cheney work for them means very little, he does not believe sanctions work. Also, halliburton has a responsiblity to its shareholders to turn a profit first, and not to the US government. As a US citizen you can boycott halliburton and demand from your elected officials we dont do business with them, but they as a company have no responsiblilty to obey US treaties. The fact of the mattter is thta halliburton is the only company that is structured with the security needed to carry out certain govt contracts and that is why they have those contracts now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Halliburton does do business with sworn enemies of the US, however the fact the cheney work for them means very little, he does not believe sanctions work....but they as a company have no responsiblilty to obey US treaties... The fact of thalliburton is the only company that is structured with the security needed to carry out certain govt contracts and that is why they have those contracts now.</div> Halliburton is the only co set up like it is to have said contracts. Wow! Coincedenece. I think not. Sounds like Albert Speer and his firm back in Germany in the 30s. So, Dick & his co are have no responsibilty to treaties? I guess they are above the law as well.
Halliburton is the ONLY company that has the security structure for certain contracts. That is a FACT. If you can name other companies with the proper security structure i would like to see that list. Even a federal investigation found that halliburton was the only company that could carry out certain govt contracts. No the are not above the law, However they did incorporate themselves in other countries and follow the laws those countries set forth.
Since this topic won't go away, I will chime in one one part of this give my input on one thing that was mentioned in this thread. I am a purchaser for a large trucking company. To date, I have spent $70 million on fuel for my trucks alone, probably will top $100 million before the year is over. Obviously that is a large amount of money that requires me to be involved in every facet of a barrel of oil. Arguably, that makes me an expert witness. Believe me when I make it very clear. My strong opinion is that oil has nothing to do with our involvement in Iraq. There is little oil-related benefit for any President, Republican or Democrat, to try to take over Iraq?.at least nothing short-term that would make it a special interest item. Once sactions are lifted, Iraq?s oil be back under OPEC?s control (although I use that word loosely). OPEC controls output and input to a fair degree anyway. US Companies can be selling fuel out of Iraq, but it is Iraq and OPEC?s oil first to sell to the US in terms of price and how much. Even if Iraq leaves OPEC eventually, consider this. Iraq has historically supplied around 3% of the worlds oil. Even if you could somehow double their production (which wouldn?t necessarily double their percentage to six), what do we gain? There aren?t many articles that tell all the facts by themselves, but this one doesn?t do too badly. http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/fello...uft20030512.htm
Exactly, a fact that most people dont realize is we get a larger percentage of our oil from south america than the middle east. The biggest problem is that environmentalist have prevented us from drilling for oil in our own backyard. They make ridiculous claims about how bad a oil spill when it is simply not true. They get publicity and a grant to do research and screw the average american, Junk science is killing the american economy.
see, i knew itfd be a good idea to take civics this semester.... E4L, i thought you actually had a brain bush in 04. Kerry has no idea how to run a war, hell probably have this huge thing set up, tthen change his mind. plus how are people voting for him? he said hes got this huge plan at the debates, but he wont tell us what it is. how do we know hes even got a plan? the guy will have no idea what hes doing and hell screw this country up
