It's amazing to me how democrats make Americans look like victims of our own government. Poor Americans. We have it so bad under Bush. Boo Hoo... what a crock.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>I just think it's sad that NFLfan think that loosing close to 1200 people is ok, since it's less then WW1 and WW2. Thats screwed up logic. In those wars we were the savior nation coming to help our allies. In this War, I have no clue exactly what we are fighting for. </div> i didnt say its ok that we lost 1100 people. i said it could be worse. you have no idea what were fighting for? iraq had weapons on mass destruction and just because they werent using them on us or anyone else at the time, doesnt mean we cant poke our noses in to see if they will. we just tryed to stop a problem before it started. plus, we got rid of a dictator. if we didnt get rid of hussein, he couldve turned into hitler or stalin. thats stopping another problem before it got started.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2004)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's amazing to me how democrats make Americans look like victims of our own government. Poor Americans. We have it so bad under Bush. Boo Hoo... what a crock.</div> Nice, YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>I just think it's sad that NFLfan think that loosing close to 1200 people is ok, since it's less then WW1 and WW2. Thats screwed up logic. In those wars we were the savior nation coming to help our allies. In this War, I have no clue exactly what we are fighting for. What bothers me the most about Bush, is that he has divided the country squarely into 2 parts, more so then any president in a very long time. His comments towards his non-constuants are totally out of the line. How would you like to be a gay person living in a country, where you own president thinks you're a sinner. I have an idea, to make all of the republicans happy why dont we just elect a Cardinal. If you are going to vote based on your religious beliefs, then why not have a religious leader in power, and f*ck the whole separation of church and state. Nothing sickens me more then hearing people say that Bush is like having G-d in the White house. Also btw NflFan and BucsFan1, in the first 4 years of the Vietnam war we lost about 1800 solidiers, does that seem familiar??? This is not a good situation, and if Bush remains in power I dont see how it could get any better.</div> What is a "constuant" I am not quite sure. Is a non-constuant someone who doesnt like the constitution? There is notihing wrong with the president being a religious person. Him hating the homosexual lifestyle does not mean he hates all gays. Homosexuality is WRONG, it has no place in society and Homosexuals are misguided. You do not placate thier misbehaivior, you do what you can to stop it, like murder. Why did we lose vietnam? Protesters like yourself, the media, and polititcians making an issue out of the war for no other reason than to get elected. People like you worked against the troops and cause thier death. The media showing only negative and the bad caused more deaths. Bush did not split this country, it has been split for a long time. I do not want a secular America, that is kerry's record says he would do. I do not want a socialist country, that is what kerrys record says he will do. I want a small federal government, with very few powers. That is what the founders of this country wanted. That is what america is about. Bush is not shrinking the government like i would like him to, but kerry wont either. Bush is not a secularist and a socialist and kerry is, so i will take 2/3 instead of 0/3.
Aftewr 911, Bush's approval rating was doing great. I don't think he's perfect, but I do prefer him to Kerry. (Sorry Chip & ROTR) I love that he has taken a stand for a few "Christian" issues (i.e. partial-birth abortion). I think the division in America right now is mostly due to election-year politics, and quite frankly will be surprised if it does not ease up some (whomever wins) shortly following the election and the disputes over vote counting, butterfly ballots, and the electoral college. If the conservatives and the liberals were to get into a scuffle though, wouldn't the liberals try to drag them all into court and the conservatives would all run home to get their shotguns!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think if there were a civil war, the conservatives would crush the liberals. The left does not want to fight! It would be like the patriots playing a 7 year old football, and not going easy on them. The liberals would win in other mediums, i.e. a debate, if you take both sides how can you lose. In court, 20 what if 70% of teh country wants something thier is a liberal judge who likes your idea better so it is now law. If it came to war though, the liberals would get crushed.</div> You may not have noticed, but most people don't consider themselves as either a far left liberal or a far right conservative. Maybe if we just shot all of those people who demonstrate political or religious extremism, things would run more smoothly. Of course we would have to come up with a system of judging what and who are extreme? Maybe a point scale of 0-100? I do have a comment about judicial activism. A judge doesn?t have to be a liberal to be an activist. Sometimes, those people that our grandfather?s would have labeled activist judges and courts (obviously the descriptive would be different) have made monumental decisions that have benefited our country. Oh, and judges can?t write law. That falls to the legislature.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Send Em Back Al)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think if there were a civil war, the conservatives would crush the liberals. The left does not want to fight! It would be like the patriots playing a 7 year old football, and not going easy on them. The liberals would win in other mediums, i.e. a debate, if you take both sides how can you lose. In court, 20 what if 70% of teh country wants something thier is a liberal judge who likes your idea better so it is now law. If it came to war though, the liberals would get crushed.</div> You may not have noticed, but most people don't consider themselves as either a far left liberal or a far right conservative. Maybe if we just shot all of those people who demonstrate political or religious extremism, things would run more smoothly. Of course we would have to come up with a system of judging what and who are extreme? Maybe a point scale of 0-100? I do have a comment about judicial activism. A judge doesn?t have to be a liberal to be an activist. Sometimes, those people that our grandfather?s would have labeled activist judges and courts (obviously the descriptive would be different) have made monumental decisions that have benefited our country. Oh, and judges can?t write law. That falls to the legislature.</div> Ok, i am not serious about a civil war. I realize that very few people are extremists. You cant shoot them all because the only people crazy enough to do that are well extremists. Second, i realize the legislature makes laws, but so can a judge. Two ways, one they can declare a law passed by legislature unconstitutional. Also, a judge who rules in a particular way on a gray are, sets a precedent and it becomes what i believe is called common law(not 100% sure on name).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>What bothers me the most about Bush, is that he has divided the country squarely into 2 parts, more so then any president in a very long time. His comments towards his non-constuants are totally out of the line. How would you like to be a gay person living in a country, where you own president thinks you're a sinner.</div> I'm not gay, but I'm happy to have a President that knows I am a sinner too. Am I to understand that you are the second coming E4L? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you are going to vote based on your religious beliefs, then why not have a religious leader in power</div> You can't take religion completely out of politics and law-making. Everyone has a religion IMO, even atheists. Haven't you developed you own code of ethics? To be blunt, what makes something wrong? This comment gives me a good idea for the barber-shop-talk.
dude, what the HELL does that have to do w/ Bush/Kerry/ The Election? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'> If you are going to vote based on your religious beliefs, then why not have a religious leader</div> E4L, if youre christian and you vote religously, youre against Bush. im not sayin youre chriostian, but a lot of politicians use things that are against their religion. christians are against abortion and gay marriage. so is bush. m,akes sense, they do this to get the majority of the people. the majority of the people are christian, so he backs up their views.
nflfan04, why are Christians against abortion and gay marriage? I'm not Christian. I'm not against gay marriage. I'm not for outlawing abortion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kcgsc)</div><div class='quotemain'>If the conservatives and the liberals were to get into a scuffle though, wouldn't the liberals try to drag them all into court and the conservatives would all run home to get their shotguns!</div> I'm glad tht I reread this post. I was going to write something similar... I figured that the liberals would be outgunned since the conservatives have been arming the services all these years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Send Em Back Al)</div><div class='quotemain'>nflfan04, why are Christians against abortion and gay marriage? I'm not Christian. I'm not against gay marriage. I'm not for outlawing abortion.</div> i never said you werent christian, i was just saying that a lot of people may vote in their religous beliefs
Explain this to me. How can the president be against abortion and yet for the death penalty. Seems like a contradiction to me.
you are entitled to life unless you are stripped of it by process of law. i.e. you killed someone and a court deems that you should lose your right to life. Abortion you kill a baby before it does anything. I am not opposed to abortion as long as all party agree. The mom and the baby, and since the baby cant agree yet, i am opposed to all abortions
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2004)</div><div class='quotemain'>I just read this whole thread. I think my eyes are about to fall out. The election can't come and go soon enough. I dread hearing the fallout when Bush wins again though... yikes.</div> Are we as a nation close to civil war? Thoughts?</div> Civil War? I doubt it. Though, the country is becoming more polarized which is dangerous. The political center is slowly shrinking as A. Lincoln once put it, "a House divided against itself can not stand."
Well, I hope you are happy BF1. Maybe when someone around you gets sent to War with Iraq or Iran in the future, maybe then you will rethink your whole stance on the situation. I find it unbelievable how many people in this country would vote for issues like abortion and gay marriage over issues like Iraq and Economy. With the way things are going, we are falling right into Bil Ladens hands. Largest deficit ever, and there is no where is sight of that changing. Millions with no healthcare. Millions have lost theirs jobs. But as long as gay people cant marry, that's not a problem.
Well my brother in law is going to Iraq, i am happy he is. Economy is in great shape, jobs being created all indicators positive. No terror attacks since 9/11. Bush can now appoint some conservative judges, and maybe we can make abortion illegal again(since you are against death this should make you happy). I personally am working on healthcare problem, so if you know anyone who needs healthcare i can help them.
