<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">honestly vegetarianism is not something discussed at home. when i said indoctrinated, i was referring to the other hindu's (the faith i was raised in). btw, the taste of food is nothing special to me, although, i enjoy the taste of a cold beverage every so often.</div> Well if taste isn't important than it's a lost cause trying to convince you to give meat another chance. Meat is so good because of the flavor and the way it absorbs sauces, herbs, or what have you.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">cod liver oil, i take some vitamins as well and i eat spinach, just don't like it. btw, hunting is nothing more than a draconian act. question to all: how do u morally justify eating meat? particularly in light of the presence of supplements which offsets any dietary needs.</div> For myself: I think I eat too much meat, and eat more (all foods) than I need in general. I do not care if others choose not to eat meat, or choose to eat meat. I personally eat meat, consume dairy products, and eat eggs, because they do give proteins, amino acids, and vitamins and minerals all in one package. I do not like the way those animals were treated in those videos, and I'm sure that some places that kill animals do it in a nicer way, and raise the animals nicer. I would defend people in other cultures eating meat, because they probably do not have access to supplements, where meat and dairy products will give them essential amino acids, and needed protein. As well in certain cultures, certain villages may not have the ability to sustain themselves on agriculture alone. In Tibet, the agriculture isn't very good, while Yaks, goats, cows, and donkeys can graze on grass from place to place (large amounts of the Tibetan population is nomadic).
<div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I would defend people in other cultures eating meat, because they probably do not have access to supplements, where meat and dairy products will give them essential amino acids, and needed protein. As well in certain cultures, certain villages may not have the ability to sustain themselves on agriculture alone. In Tibet, the agriculture isn't very good, while Yaks, goats, cows, and donkeys can graze on grass from place to place (large amounts of the Tibetan population is nomadic).</div> good point, but i think your ignoring particularistic, cultural values in your analysis. for instance- there are cultures who have choose not to eat meat. why? geography, religion, health, scarcity and morality. moreover, there is some scientific evidence that suggest our bodies are designed not to eat meat- that determination is hinged on our digestitive system and our teeth, both which seem to be unsuitable for meat consumption. although, our bodies have adjusted to handle meat consumption from what ive read. nevertheless, your argument reminds me of america's beef (excuse the pun) over kyoto- the american's argued the developing world should be held to the same benchmarks as the west. of course thats a ridiculous argument cause the west pollutes the most (more cars and factories) and they have more economic cushion to withstand achieving those benchmarks. so yeah there is a double standard. btw, nobody mentioned the link between meat eating and cardiovascular disease. glaring omission?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">btw, nobody mentioned the link between meat eating and cardiovascular disease. glaring omission?</div> You're going to die from something sooner or later, you might aswell enjoy one of life's greatest pleasures, FOOD, while you're still living.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">btw, nobody mentioned the link between meat eating and cardiovascular disease. glaring omission?</div> Eating very large quantities of meat obviously has consequences, high cholesterol, medium to high amounts of fat in the tissue (depending on the meat), and I think the excessive amounts of protein can be used as energy somehow or stored as fat. Having too much cholesterol which lines your blood vessels, puts a greater strain on the heart and eventually it will fail if conditions get bad enough. However meat in reasonable quantities are an easy way to get plenty of protein, and iron. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There are no essential amino acids that are only found in meat. This is a common misconception. WHowever meat usually contains all the essential amino acids in substantial amounts i.e. they are complete proteins. Incomplete proteins are proteins that have one or more essential amino acids present in very low concentration so we have to find another source of those. Examples All the essential amino acids can be found in plants but not all plants have all the essentials. So we would may be have to eat two different plants to get all the essential amino acids while only one type meat will fill the bill. Legumes have lots of isoleucine and lysine but little methionine and tryptophan. Grains have lots of methionine and tryptophan a little isoleucine and lysine. So to get enough of all the essentials one would need to eat both legumes and grains. They are called complementary proteins. Vegetarians need to worry more about getting enough calcium and vitamin B12. I hope this helps. </div> http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-...69959.Bc.r.html
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you don't eat meat and you don't eat spinach, where do you get your source of iron from? There's nothing wrong with hunting and then eating your kill. Personally I don't hunt, I wouldn't have the patience for it, but there are a lot of benefits. When an area is over populated by deer, do to a lack of predators to thin out the population, then it's beneficial to have hunters replace the role of natural predators such as mountain lions, bears, or coyotes. I don't have a problem with the animals being killed for meat, but I do have a problem with the torturing and the low living standards the farmers have for these animals.</div> Can't you see that people like you are the problem? They are treating the animals like this for one reason...PROFITS! I doubt most dairy farmers sit on their tractors all day playing with their mustache and diabolically think up ways to mistreat their animals. They put the animals through all this to maximize profits. Its your basic Capitalist evolution. If it was more profitable to roll out a red carpet for the pig, give them a back rub and feed them caviar i'm sure they would. However, i'm rather ignorant about the whole halal meat thing, so i guess its your way of combating the problem.
<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Can't you see that people like you are the problem? They are treating the animals like this for one reason...PROFITS! I doubt most dairy farmers sit on their tractors all day playing with their mustache and diabolically think up ways to mistreat their animals. They put the animals through all this to maximize profits. Its your basic Capitalist evolution. If it was more profitable to roll out a red carpet for the pig, give them a back rub and feed them caviar i'm sure they would. However, i'm rather ignorant about the whole halal meat thing, so i guess its your way of combating the problem.</div> How am I and people like me the problem? So what you're saying is torturing an animal for no good reason helps maximize profits? Ever hear of Kobe Beef? It goes for close $100lb. and is highly profitable. The cows used to make Kobe Beef are feed beer and massaged daily to keep the meat tender.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How am I and people like me the problem? So what you're saying is torturing an animal for no good reason helps maximize profits? Ever hear of Kobe Beef? It goes for close $100lb. and is highly profitable. The cows used to make Kobe Beef are feed beer and massaged daily to keep the meat tender.</div> You can't argue that its the norm. Of course there are higher quality meats, but if all these animals are put through this is because there is a demand for cheaper meats. Being cost effective is important to any business....I personally think there should be stricter guildliness, I don't eat meat but if I did I wouldn't want to eat it from a cow who had an open sore.
<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You can't argue that its the norm. Of course there are higher quality meats, but if all these animals are put through this is because there is a demand for cheaper meats. Being cost effective is important to any business....I personally think there should be stricter guildliness, I don't eat meat but if I did I wouldn't want to eat it from a cow who had an open sore.</div> Where did you draw the conclusion I eat cheap meat?
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Where did you draw the conclusion I eat cheap meat?</div> I'm saying meat eaters in general. Fine, you say that you buy good quality meats, thats good. Personally I don't eat meat because of 3 major reasons. 1) Health reasons.....meat in general is a good source of protien and amino acids but you can find other sources of protien and amino acids without the fat (animal fat is the worst kind). 2) Cruelty to animals....i don't mind killing animals for food but the way they are housed and treated (in the mainstream) is terrible. 3) My neibour is a butcher....and its gross. He has taken me down to where they aution cows and I've seen the "killing floor" its just nasty. They shot the cows in the head before they hung them upside down and drained their blood so i guess thats more humane. I don't mind people who eat meat, and i don't preach veaganism (is that a word?). I just don't agree with your whole "Enjoy one of lifes pleasures...eating." Eating can be just as pleasureable if you aren't eating meat. You would be surprized that some tofu and soy dishes are quite tasty. And try not to think of food as a reward....eating healthy and living a long and healthy life is a reward.
<div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Are you a vegan or a vegetarian?</div> vegan
Awww thats so sad.....I couldnt even finish watching after the first 30 secons when I saw that cow in a pen staring at the camera. But I'll still eat burgers.
i couldnt get past the dude beating the turkey's with a metal rod, that's just str8 cruelty...i mean i love meat, dont get me wrong, but to see how this is done, man that's just insane
