Mediocrity Fatigue

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  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    So Dame will be good the next 5 years? That's a pretty big window.

    We can keep Dame till he retires and rebuild then. No point to throw away Dame to start a rebuild a few years early.
     
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    The rebuild will take atleast 3 years. What’s the point of having a good Lillard for what 2 more years
     
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    For me its not like I believe just getting a new coach turns them into GS, but I believe theres a lot of benefits to that being the first move they try.
    • New Coaching Philosophy.
    • New Set of eyes on the players already there. Could mean role changes, could mean different rotations.
    • Gets players out of their comfort zones and challenges them.
    • Shows that the franchise is willing to go away from someone they LIKE because winning is a priority.
    Maybe you find out that really Stotts was getting the most out of the talent here, but even that is a good thing, because it tells you exactly what you need to get better, better players.

    Ive never thought that Stotts was a terrible coach, I just think he’s had his fair shot with this group. He’s failed at least in my opinion to really evolve as a coach on either end. Yeah once in a while they throw in a new wrinkle to the same 5-6 plays theyve ran his entire tenure but everyone who’s got a scouting report on the Blazers knows how to guard them, and knows whats coming.
     
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    Exactly right. Chances are this group won't be much better, but why not at least attempt to do something before blowing it up? With how much is invested in contracts it makes sense to see if someone else can light a fire under them. If it doesn't work, then you can still blow it up.

    When Kerr got to GS he called Curry and told him he wasn't going to allow him to hide on defense and he was going to hold him accountable on that end. That sure sounds nice doesn't it?
     
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  6. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    Stotts should consider a change of career. Minutes played, play design, passing and defense are totally different than the days of Nirvana (before the "road" trip).
     
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    I'm not saying rebuild now. Why not keep Dame for his entire career, try and upgrade the roster and coaching so that we can compete once Golden State leaves? And then once Dame retires, we rebuild?

    These upcoming drafts are weak too, now's not the time to rebuild. Also, many teams are taking because of GS, and itd be hard to outrank them
    Also, rebuilding now lowers the value of the team and raises the chance we'd be relocated. It's highly unlikely we'd have a successful rebuild in 3 years so theres no point to not try and improve. Tanking right now is a very stupid idea.
     
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    What's also weird: The people begging for us to tank are usually the least knowledgeable about the prospects available in upcoming drafts outside of the top 2 or 3 players. They dont even know who they want to tank for. Is Quentin Grimes and Bryan Antoine really going to turn us into contenders...? Nope.
     
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    Examples of teams who've been rebuilding for most of the past 12 years, yet during that time, have not contended, and won't be any time soon.

    New York Knicks
    Sacremento Kings
    Minnesota Timberwolves
    Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats
    New Orleans Pelicans
    Utah Jazz
    Detroit Pistons
    New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets
    Washington Wizards

    The Wizards are a great example. They had the 1st pick in 2010 and the 3rd picks and 2012 & 2013.... Now its 2018, and look where they're at now? Smh...
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    The Nets and the Knicks exist for concession stand and hat/jersey sales.
     
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    Ideally? I'd say we need a new coach AND 3 new starters around Dame and Nurk. Obviously not gonna happen, but that's what you need to make the team a serious contender. (unless you actually believe CJ, Aminu, and Hark are comparable to Curry Thompson, Thompson, and Green - and I know you don't!)
     
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    Rebuilding guarantees nothing. Continuing to do the same as we have for the last several years guarantees nothing as well.

    One of those 'nothings' at least has an opportunity for success. The other 'nothing' is a zip, zero, nada.

    I'd love to improve on what we currently have but I just don't believe you can have 1/2 of the cap tied up in small guards who don't play defense.
     
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    So we should fire and trade everyone whenever we don't have the same lineup as one of the greatest teams of all time? There isn't a coach or GM in the history of the NBA that could come in and turn this roster into a comparable team.
     
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    I don't think fans are looking for 'comparable' to the Warriors. I do think they are looking for better than getting swept 2 years in a row...one of those with HCA. That seems reasonable.
     
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    He literally just said that though, lol.
     
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    Fine....most fans.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Question for all:

    Would you rather make the playoffs 14 years in a row or have 14 consecutive losing seasons?

    BNM
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    As long as my star player is putting up historical stats, I'd be cool with losing.
     
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    No - it's the exact opposite of what I said.

    I said we needed 3 new starters. YOU compared that to GSW giving up on Curry, et al.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    How did you get from what I said to that spin on the discussion? You should go work for Trump.
     

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