Exclusive Meltdown Thread

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by kjironman1, Nov 12, 2017.

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This is the thread to end all after loss threads. Should we make this a membership only thread?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Here is it is

    https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0...A-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf

    “Designated Veteran Player Extension” means an Extension of a Contract entered into between a Team and its Designated Veteran Player that covers six (6) Seasons from the date the Extension is signed and provides for Salary for the first Salary Cap Year covered by the extended term equal to thirty percent (30%) or thirty-five percent (35%) (or such other percentage between 30% and 35% as agreed upon by the Team and the player) of the Salary Cap in effect during the first Season of the extended term. Annual increases and decreases in Salary in a Designated Veteran Player Extension shall be governed by Article VII, Section 5(a)(3).

    And here's a breakdown

    for any player who has completed fewer than seven (7) Years of Service, the greater of (x) twenty-five percent (25%) of the Salary Cap in effect on July 1 of the Salary Cap Year encompassing the first Season of the extended term of such Extension, or (y) one hundred five percent (105%) of the Salary provided for in the final Season of the original term of the Contract; provided, however, that a 5th Year Eligible Player who signed a Rookie Scale Extension in accordance with Section 7(d) below shall be eligible to receive the percentage that is agreed upon by the Team and player, which shall be no less than twenty-five percent (25%) or greater than thirty percent (30%) of the Salary Cap in effect on July 1 of the Salary Cap Year encompassing the first Season of the extended term of such Extension if the player has met at least one of the Higher Max Criteria;

    (ii) for any player who has completed at least seven (7) but fewer than ten (10) Years of Service, the greater of (x) thirty percent (30%) of the Salary Cap in effect on July 1 of the Salary Cap Year encompassing the first Season of the extended term of such Extension, or (y) one hundred five percent (105%) of the Salary provided for in the final Season of the original term of the Contract; provided, however, that a player who (A) has one Season, or two Seasons (including any Option Year), remaining on his Contract, and (B) has seven (7) or eight (8) Years of Service at the time the Extension is executed (i.e., a player entering their 8th or 9th year in the NBA), and (C) rendered such Years of Service for the Team with which he first executed a Player Contract (or, if he was under a Player Contract for more than one Team during such period, changed Teams only by trade during the first four (4) Salary Cap Years in which he was Article II 39 under a Player Contract) shall be eligible to enter into a Designated Veteran Player Extension pursuant to which the player receives the percentage that is agreed upon by the Team and player, which shall be no less than thirty percent (30%) and no greater than thirty-five percent (35%) of the Salary Cap in effect on July 1 of the Salary Cap Year encompassing the first Season of the extended term of such Extension if the player has met at least one of the Higher Max Criteria; or

    (iii) for any player who has completed ten (10) or more Years of Service, the greater of (x) thirty-five percent (35%) of the Salary Cap in effect on July 1 of the Salary Cap Year encompassing the first Season of the extended term of such Extension, or (y) one hundred five percent (105%) of the Salary provided for in the final Season of the original term of the Contract;
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    https://www.spotrac.com/spots/criteria-for-a-supermax-extensions-1218/

    Spotrac explains it better

    Designated/"SuperMax" Extension Types

    Designated Rookie Extension

    Player is entering the 4th year of rookie scale contract, maximum salary starts at 25% of the cap (30% based on criteria below) with a maximum of six (6) years (which includes the remaining year on the current contract).

    A player with fewer than seven (7) years of experience and mets the criteria for the 30% of the cap is said to be eligible for the "Derrick Rose Rule," name for Derrick Rose who won the MVP during his third season in the NBA.

    Designated Veteran Extension

    Player has 7 or 8 years of experience and has 1 or 2 years remaining on their current contract (all with with the same team or was traded during first four years in the NBA) and meets the criteria below is eligible for a maximum salary that starts at 35% of the cap with a maximum of six (6) years (which includes the remaining years on the current contract).



    Who applies for this increase:

    (A) Players finishing their rookie scale contract and other players having been credited with four (4) years of service can receive a starting salary up to 30% of the cap.

    (B) Players finishing their rookie scale extension or other players having seven to nine (7-9) years of experience can receive a starting salary up to 35% of the cap.



    At least one of the following must apply:

    (A) Player was named to All-NBA First, Second or Third team in most reason season or both of the two seasons prior to the most recent season.

    Based on 2021 offseason, player was named to any All-NBA team in 2020-21 OR was named to any All-NBA team in 2018-19 AND 2019-20.

    (B) Player was named the Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY) in most reason reason or both of the two season prior to the most recent season.

    Based on 2021 offseason, player was named to DPOY in 2020-21 OR was named as DPOY in 2018-19 AND 2019-20.

    (C) Player was named Most Valuable Player (MVP) in any of the three most recent seasons.

    Based on 2021 offseason, player was named as MVP in 2018-19, 2019-20 or 2020-21.
     
  3. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Sure hope not.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    I think Tatum will be? So yeah my statement is probably wrong. Somebody is going to if they have not already?
     
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    inconceivable Well-Known Member

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    Anytime i see this thread on the first page I get nervous that we traded Dame for Lowry, Duncan Robinson and Miami's 2024 pick
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    They will and those guys will probably be included.
     
  7. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    You guys!

    I know I'm being an ass about this whole situation. I hate every second of it.

    Sorry but My Meltdown thread is my place to do just that!
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    I fucking hate losing and I absolutely hate losing great players.
    This team is losing what many feel is it's greatest player and they not only have been but will continue to lose for a while.
     
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  9. riverman

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    Another ice shelf has broken off from Antarctica...clearly they're having a serious meltdown!
     
  10. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Eh. He asked out. No sweat off my back especially the way he handled it. Good riddance to him hope he fails somewhere else. Dont care if "we didn't put the people around him", he showed his true colors and he can peace the fuck out for all I care.
     
  11. KingSpeed

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    Um we’ve been losing. We’ve been sub 500 three of the last four seasons. With its “greatest player,”
     
  12. KingSpeed

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    Wow. You changed your tune in 9 months.
     
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  13. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    They shelved him and they went on the tank. Now he's gone. Then you adding in the Covid year seems a bit ingenious at best.
    So yeah I agree.
    I don't like any of it at all.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    It most certainly did.
     
  15. BIG Q

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    Many have. Just shows, don't be sanctimonious when you can not adhere to your line. I'm shocked Paul George has not taken a victory lap on Dame.
     
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    I view it as the Blazers lost Lillard when we did that stupid Clippers trade. That was the last chance to build a winner and we failed. Trading Lillard for value now is about setting the team up for 5-10 years from now. So hopefully we don't repeat the same lack of talent as when LaMarcus left for nothing and we had shit around Dame.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Probably one of the biggest reasons Lillard never got the team he needed in the first place.
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I always thought the Clippers trade was horrible, but I don't see Norm or RoCo having anywhere near the value that would have been required to bring back the talent to build around Dame. We shouldn't have traded for RoCo in the first place. GTJ should have been traded for a wing... not a 6'4 guard. Neil was a moron.

    I was mostly unhappy with dumping Norm for nothing, and doing it a week before the deadline. We could have used his salary for matching purposes... but I think this team has wanted to rebuild since Joe took over.
     
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    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    The Clippers trade was a necessary evil to start the Grant trade and re-sign Ant - as it allowed the Blazers to get rid of Powell's salary. Basically, between this and the New Orleans trade the Blazers got rid of 2 big salaries (Norm, CJ) and replaced them with 2 other big salaries (Grant, Ant) while staying out of the Tax.

    Basically, the Blazers balanced the roster a bit by replacing a SG and a SG playing SF with a SG and a SF playing PF.
     

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