Merged: |0fficial| Trade Deadline

They sour on people FAST. See Carter-Williams, Michael.

 

Is Miles Plumlee injured or something? This year, he basically doesn't even resemble the player he was the last few years. It's like every part of his game collapsed simultaneously.

Probably a good buy-low acquisition for Charlotte from a talent-given-up perspective--the salary they're committing to is a pretty big gamble, though, if he's permanently broken.

 

another case of a guy gettin paid and goin away?

 

I feel like players having bad years is not well correlated with recently getting a big deal. Ed Davis is having a pretty terrible year and didn't just get a big new deal. In fact, in year 1 of the deal he did get from Portland, he was a pretty nice player. McCollum just got a huge extension and has taken his game to a new level.

 

Aminu & Ezeli (no pick) for Henson and expiring Jason Terry is fair value.
Just not sure that is the direction we want to go in the future.

 

I think that would be a good deal, but Milwaukee isn't interested in Aminu I'm willing to bet. Would need a third team I'm thinking.

Maybe if the Bucks were willing to send Miami some kind of pick this could work?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zt5kjgc

 

Thon was a guy I really like last year draft.

 

Had a brief look at Bucks fans comments after Plumlee trade and they all seem in agreement that moving Henson on would be another step forward to make from here. They don't rate him very highly there.

 

Good thing the fans make the decisions!

 

It's probably because with him their spacing is atrocious. They need some guys who can nail shots, they already have 70,000 guys who have KD-esque bodies who have limited range.

 

Henson is basically Ed Davis. Henson is also having a down year, though not to the extent that Davis is. I like Davis and Henson, but the Blazers probably don't need both of them. I expect Davis to eventually come out of his funk, because it's not like he's aged out of his prime or had a career-altering injury.

 

John Henson is basically Ed Davis except he's not.

Holler at me when Davis has the rim protection, shot blocking, and defensive rating numbers Henson had last season. I mean it's a joke to put the two in the same sentence. Henson averaged nearly FOUR times the blocks Davis did last season per/36. and that wasn't just a one year fluke. Year before same thing. Even this year he's averaged more than double the blocks Davis has.

 

Yeah, he blocks more shots, but about those Defensive Rating numbers before this year...

Henson: 105, 98, 108, 102
Davis: 104, 107, 103, 102, 101

Yeah, absolutely no comparison when it comes to overall defensive impact.

Of course, you might be right that these two guys can't really be compared:

Henson Offensive Rating: 108, 108, 106, 106, 103
Davis Offensive Rating: 115, 128, 124, 110, 114, 108

Davis' worst Offensive Rating (5 years ago) is equal to Henson's best.

Davis also blows Henson away in Defensive Rebound Rate, Offensive Rebound Rate and (unsurprisingly then) Total Rebound Rate.

Davis also has a significantly higher scoring efficiency.

By eye test, I thought they were fairly similarly valuable big men, in terms of being good defensive bigs who are both solid roll men on offense. But you encouraging me to look deeper at the stats has convinced me that, indeed, Ed Davis is much better overall. Good catch.

 

Maybe I remembered his defensive rating wrong, I'll take the L on that. But it's interesting how you left out/ignored the rim protection, blocked shots, and the defensive bpm. Those are all more important than offense, since both are pretty much useless on that end. I know Davis is a better rebounder, but that's pretty much it.

 

I didn't leave out rim protection/blocked shots--I stipulated at the start that Henson blocks more shots. But the effects of that should be taken into account by Defensive Rating, and Defensive Rating also encapsulates other aspects of good defense. They're both very good defenders (though Davis has slumped so far on that end this year for no obvious reason).

Also, they're not useless on offense. Both have positive offensive impact--being a good roll man in the pick-and-roll is a valuable skill, considering the league is now a spread pick-and-roll league. Davis also augments his offensive value with put-backs.

 

I believe Bucks won this trade 100%. 3 garbage players involved. 1 of them has a bad/expensive contract for 3 more years while one has an expiring one and the other a 6M player option which is not that expensive. Charlotte got the bad contract. I suppose they did that because they ll have no cap space to sign anyone else, but still Plumlee is really bad. On the other hand Bucks will have the last chance to make some FA moves before Jabari gets paid and that is why they damp salary with this trade. They literally traded away a 50M DNP-CD.

 

There's hope that we can get rid of Meyers if a guy making 10 million more can get traded for almost expirings!

 

Well that's discouraging. Ed Davis is such an unskilled player - he's basically a smaller (and worse) version of Joel Przybilla. I like both Ed and Joel, but neither are/were very good. I thought Henson would be like Ed Davis+, which isn't very exciting. But if he's Ed Davis- that's really disappointing.

 

I really want Ibaka and Whiteside. Doubt we get either one though. Sounds to good to be true. I'm not getting my hopes up for anything really.

 

I don't agree--Ed Davis isn't a great player by any means, but until this year, he's been a good role-player. He may not look impressive, but when he's on the court, through his career, the other team scores at a less efficient rate and his team scores at a more efficient rate. I'd say that he's like a less-athletic DeAndre Jordan or something--he doesn't have the explosion to block a lot of shots or dunk lobs, but he's a strong roller on the pick-and-roll and plays strong positional and team defense.

The defensive stuff is prior to this year, though. For whatever reason, his defense has collapsed this year. If this year is what Davis will be from now on, then he's not a good player. But since he's still in his prime and hasn't suffered some serious injury, I'd assume this is just a temporary bad stretch.