Merged: blazers linked to serge ibaka

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  1. BonesJones

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    Connaughton has shown flashes, but I don't believe he has the tools, and those flashes aren't representative of what he can do.

    Layman's shown flashes, and I think those flashes ARE representative of what he can do, because he has the tools.

    That's the difference.
     
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    Stotts wouldn't play CJ till he almost had no other choice.

    I would like my elite shooter to be a little more consistent. Only 4 games all season between 33-50%. That is a roller coaster.
     
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    I don't think they've had much practice until recently but the D league is going to help him out
     
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    I don't know if you're crazy, but being chased by a human sized pitcher of kool-aid probably hasn't helped. It is extremely unlikely, but not unreasonable.

    That being said, the wag in me chides you for not including Plumlee, and somehow ending up with Jimmy Butler :)
     
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    It certainly favors Portland, but it also seems to help the other teams out somewhat. Not sure about Orlando. It feels like they are getting the short end, but then again--Orlando.
     
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    I'm sure Portland would have to send a couple picks in this deal--which is allegedly what they're looking for--but the main thing for Orlando is that they could convert the expendable portion of their glut of bigs--including an expiring--into two capable wings that would complement Payton and Gordon. Crabbe/Fournier/Gay is not a bad 2/3 rotation.
     
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    All deal proposals posted in here are unlikely. I'm just wondering if this is one of those rare blockbuster deal suggestions that actually make sense for everyone.
     
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    JJ Redick is someone I would consider an elite shooter. This season:

    20% or under: 5
    21-33:17
    33-50:8
    50+:15

    Crabbe has played in 5 more games. But he has had 24 games greater than 33%, JJ has 23. Crabbe has had more stinkers for sure, but also in a smaller role than Reddick has for the Clippers.

    On top of that, 4 of the games Crabbe shot under 20%, he had just 1 3 point attempt. In those 4 games, he shot 4 /7, 6/9, 4/7, and 1/2. In every single game, which you used to show that he was cold, he shot 50% or above. Another one of the games, he didn't attempt a 3.

    I also don't get looking at 20-50 as a "sweet spot" as if a 21% game isn't a clunker. I'd think above and below say 33% makes more sense. Removing the 4 0-1 games, and the one without a shot, Crabbe has 24 games above 33%, 21 below. Redick 22 below, 23 above.
     
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    So you want more 2-5 games from 3 instead of many 1-5 and 3-5 games?
     
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    Agree to a point. But you have to admit there's a world of difference between watching Jake Layman vs someone like Nolan Smith. Regardless of what the stats say, it's obvious Jake knows how to play. That bodes well for him becoming a decent rotation player if given steady minutes. The same can't be said for Nolan Smith. I guess the flip side to that coin is that it didn't look like Jerm even knew what shape a basketball was before we traded him to IND and he eventually became a pretty good player.
     
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    @RR7 ...I'm just suggesting an elite shooter wouldn't have over half his games under 33%.
     
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    I would say the only thing Jake has "flashed" was his shooting. Everything else he's actually been fairly consistent with - or at least as consistent as one could hope for given his inconsistent minutes. He may not do things that show up in the box score, but he's always making the right pass, moving to the right spot on the floor, etc. You can't say that about most scrubs - or even starters!
     
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    Exactly what I'm trying to get at. Every shooter has these stretches.
     
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    So Redick isn't elite either?
     
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    Sidebar on shooters and Magic.

    Why does Mario Herzonja keep on getting DNP-CDs? Is he that bad? I mean, a lotto bound team is playing Jeff Green ahead of him. Seems like a perfect NO trade candidate.
     
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    It's worth mentioning that although we have been linked with Ibaka, so have been other 8 teams and a lot of them have better assets to offer.
     
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    seriously? Layman had ONE brief span of minutes when he played/shot well, I agree Layman probably has more potential than Pat C but he has not shown me anything where I can "seriously" believe he might be at least a good rotation player - and I hope he will
     
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    HATER!!!!
     
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    I still think my 3-way deal involving Orlando and Sacramento is awesome and would be beneficial for all three teams involved. I wish there were a way to find out which GM would be the one to decline a deal like that.
     

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