Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

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  1. blue9

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    I'd rather just take Gordon for the TPE and keep Harkless. I don't see any point in trading Harkless for Ariza - that would be a bad move.
     
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    You should re-read the example Coon gives in his FAQ regarding non-simultaneous trades.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

    My prior post didn't explain it well, but basically, as long as we're not aggregating the TPE with other salaries to match incoming salaries for us, we're good, even if the other teams aren't necessarily seeing it the same way on their side. So, EG can fit into our TPE, even if Houston has to aggregate EG's salary with others in order to match Melo's incoming. In blue9's trade, the other incoming players would be matched against Harkless, so from our perspective, everything would work.
     
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    1) yes
    2) if we also get under the tax level at the same time, it'll be incredible.
     
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    That doesn't work either. The Rockets have already use their non-tax payer MLE to sign P.J. Tucker. So, they can't go over the luxury tax apron at any point before the end of the 2017-18 season. In addition the Gordon/TPE and Ariza to NYK deals, they'd need to send out another $4.15 million to clear the space to get Carmelo.

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    I think so. At least in the present, Ariza is probably about equal to Harkless. Gordon is much better than Crabbe, as far as I'm concerned, mostly because he's aggressive and is capable of shooting and making contested threes. I don't think we jump up to the championship tier, if that's what you mean, but I think Portland is significantly better
     
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    I like Harkless, but I question his motivation sometimes, and I think he lacks drive. He has a ton of talent though.

    If we can dump Crabbe, Harkless, Leonard, and Davis and get back a mixture of veterans who have been there before and can help us win.... I like our chances.
     
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    Dame/Turner
    CJ/Gordon
    Ariza/Aminu
    Vonleh/Swanigan
    Nurk/Collins

    That's an improved team.
     
    Natebishop3, Jul 25, 2017
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Agreed. Better defense and more reliable scoring off the bench.

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    There's also the fact that you weren't arguing that Gordon wasn't injury prone.
     
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    Could be, but to me Crabbe to Brooklyn seemed to be the backup plan since the season ended if they could not use him in a bigger trade. Now that those options have passed, Neil can't wait any longer. I am sure we will add someone, but I am not holding my breath on any significant addition.

    As discussed for months, either Crabbe or ET had to go and as many suggested, Crabbe is easier to replace. I was hoping Layman to step up and grab that 3 &D spot off the bench, but I am not so hopeful anymore.
     
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    Well I don't know anything about those rules. Trade Machine says it works, so I'm going with it.
     
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    I'm hoping that we're trading out Harkless, Davis, Leonard, and a pick for Melo while using the TPE to take on Courtney Lee.

    I'm just worried we won't get better and won't increase future flexibility (ala, take on Anderson). I'm worried that we won't replace Crabbe with someone adequate or someone that doesn't fit (We need a shooter next to ET).
     
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    Addtion by subtraction. Now let's develop our rookies and give Napier a prominent backup role. Hoping Connaughton becomes a shooting prodigy for us. Wishful thinking? Perhaps but hey we can dream!
     
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    wow....I personally am happy to shed Crabbe's contract and minutes....as to Paul Allen's money...I'm glad he's got a lot ...a roster spot is not meaningless if it leads to more productive minutes and better defense ....hopefully worked out pretty well trading Mason for a talented rookie and Nurk....after all this summer with no real movement, how can you not feel good about moving Crabbe's contract and lethargic motor?
     
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    What if we use the exception on Gordon (or other shooter)? In effect trading Crabbe for Gordon (or other shooter). Still not a win?
     
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    its all good man. we just got worse though, no bones about it.

    will we get better? hopefully!
     
    3RA1N1AC, Jul 25, 2017
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    Not for Denny, he needs an allstar back for fringe allstar crabbe. SMH
     
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    I think our next move will come when Irving decides where he wants to go..
     
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    it seems like this is a qualifier for everyone. If we get gordon straight up for the TPE then this trade is a win. If not, is it a loss?
     
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    Giving Crabbe one more year to prove himself, then getting a $13 Million trade exception for him is worse than losing Crabbe for nothing?
     
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