Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

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    Neil never takes into account the ruined relationships on this forum when he plays his game of thrones with our players.


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    You can't. I can't remember who, but I tried that years ago. Not fair.
     
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    You can't. I'm just saying for you not to read his stuff you'd have to ignore him. So In a roundabout way, you told him to ignore your "sorry ass comments". (Your words, I don't actually think that lol)
     
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    Look at Gordon's AST%, both last year and for his career and compare it to Crabbe. He's 2x - 3x the creator Crabbe is.

    Crabbe was assisted on .775 of his 2FG and .970 of his 3FG. Gordon was assisted on .446 of his 2FG and .841 of his 3FG.

    So yes, Gordon is much more capable of creating for himself and others, and yes, that puts more pressure on the defense than a passive player that relies almost entirely on others to create opportunities for him.

    BNM
     
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    Where would we be without BNM to look this stuff up
     
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    I'm not sure that it is. I think Gordon would bridge that gap if all he were shooting were wide-open gimmes. There's a massive difference in difficulty between an open shot and a contested one.
     
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    Is there an actual rumor linking us to Gordon?
     
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    No which is why it is so realistic
     
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    Yet somehow, despite all the pressure he puts on a defense with his aggressiveness, ball-handling, shot creating, and distribution skills, Gordon's Ortg was 5 points lower than his Drtg, despite being on a 55-win team which had an Ortg 6 points higher than its Drtg.

    Contrast that with Crabbe, who despite being terrible defender on a .500 team, had an Ortg 3 points higher than his Drtg, and 9 points higher than the team's overall Ortg.

    So it's arguable that despite his one-dimensional nature, Crabbe actually helped his team's performance significantly more than Gordon did this past year.
     
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    I picked up some animosity from Lillard last summer when Lillard was probed about some of the signings. I had the feeling his seeming annoyance had to do with the Crabbe deal.
     
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    I thought you couldn't add the trade exception to a player (e.g. CJ + TE = James).
     
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    Seriously, you're now resorting to using ORtg and DRtg to make a case for Crabbe. C'mon you're better than that...

    From Dean Oliver's definition of ORtg:

    "Individual offensive rating is the number of points produced by a player per hundred total individual possessions. In other words, 'How many points is a player likely to generate when he tries?'"

    And that right there is the difference between Eric Gordon and Allen Crabbe. Crabbe doesn't try to score nearly as often as Gordon. He's a very passive player.

    Gordon scores 35% more points and generates 86% more assists per 100 possessions than Crabbe.

    So, who puts more pressure on the defense, an aggressive player that tries to score and creates for others, or a passive player who depends on others to create for him?

    BNM
     
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    But it is not 3pt = 3pt - it is 3pt when there is a contested shot vs. a pass that runs the clock out or forces someone else to take that shot when there are no clear shots.

    The 2 are not the same.
     
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