Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

I agree that shooting percentages are skewed. Dame is a great example. And yes there were a few times with the 2nd unit when I preferred AC to be more aggressive as opposed to passing it to say......Aminu. But when he was on the court with Dame and CJ, I liked that he only took open shots.

 

In the end, I'd rather have 2.1 for 4.8 3pt shooting than 3.8 for 10.2 3pt shooting. Those are Crabbes and Gordon's 3pt shooting clips per 36 respectively.

Why would I rather have that? Because I'd trust the offense to outperform the additional 1.7 on 5.4 3pt shooting Gordon adds over Crabbe. That's .94 points per shot.

Basically, with Gordon's more aggressive shooting resulted in a 94 ORTG on the additional shots he takes that Crabbe doesn't.

I'd rather have Crabbe's 2.1 for 4.8, then trust that the offense could outperform a 94ORTG over the other 5 possessions where Gordon would've shot shots that Crabbe wouldn't have. Since the team does usually perform at a higher offensive rate than a 94 ORTG suggests, then mathematically, it suggests that Crabbe's efficiency on limited shots is more valuable than Gordon's lesser efficiency on volume shooting.

I feel like most people won't understand the math, but those that do will realize what I've been talking about this whole time.

 

For an entire season sly and youre on? no chance he does that. lol

 

no, but trade exception will

 

FUCK YEAH!!

That was my reaction upon reading the news Crabbe has been traded. Been waiting all offseason to hear it too.
I'll never have to watch his 'effort' & 'defense' again.

Team is much better off without an additional mental midget & his albatross contract.

Now Neal, about that other Biebs problem . . . .

 

Exactly, we need guys around Dame and CJ that can hit open shots. Dame and CJ can got off a contested shot any time they want, and it would have a better yield than if Eric Gordon gets off a contested shot. So why do we need a guy next to Dame and CJ to take contested shots at a worse clip than them?

The problem with Crabbe is all he did was hit open shots for $18M a year. We need guys that can hit open shots, defend, and provide some slashing ability in order to contend. That's why I didn't like Crabbe. However, Gordon doesn't provide much slashing ability, can't defend, and while he can hit open shots, he shoots way too many contested jumpers.

 

Just saw the news.

Good! It's a nice first step, hopefully Neil doesn't follow it up with Ryan-fucking-Anderson.

 

Can someone (@Boob-No-More ?) find me the percentages on Crabbe's and Gordon's open 3pt shot percentages, as well as their contested 3pt shot percentages? Could go a long way to figuring out how much of Crabbe's efficiency was his lack of volume from only shooting open shots.

 

Why can't Gordon take the open shots that Crabbe (and LOLminu!) took? Why's it gotta be contested?

 

sucky stat, can't learn anything from it.

 

What is the team's ORtg when no one has an open shot? By this logic, we'd be at our most efficient with a roster full of Allen Crabbes--each of them take 5 wide-open shots, leading to the greatest offense in NBA history. Except, that's not how it works. Crabbe is taking the easy shots that someone else could have handled and leaving the difficult shot-creation to others. Someone still has to take those tough shots that Crabbe can't take.

 

Gordon was a productive 6 man...he got more attention from defenders than Crabbe ever did...and Gordon is a WAY better ball handler and finisher...Crabbe after all turned out to be a one trick pony....and I'm not really lobbying for Gordon....I think we can find a younger guy who brings his skillset at a bargain price...that's what I hope Olshey is working on. Having a bona fide 3 and D guy at Crabbe's position will take some of the pressure off Dame and CJ..

 

I guess it's good because we don't have to pay a huge tax.. Should have just let Crabbe go last off season though. At least that corrects this mistake. The only thing that worries me is that people say we aren't going to compete the next few years. I honestly think Dame is going to be frustrated soon.

 

I am not sure this is right - it was either let him walk for nothing - or give him another year to break out (did not happen) and end up with a TPE.

Professional basketball at the NBA level is hard - no-one can strike 1.000 - but that was a calculated risk and it could still turn out positive given the TPE.

 

The TPE and a slight dead money drag for the next few years. The dead money drag isn't a huge deal, but TPEs also don't tend to be a big deal either, due to how inflexible they are to use in trades. If Olshey picked up this TPE to immediately flip in a (good) Carmelo Anthony trade, then matching on Crabbe will have proven to be a good move. If it's not used there, there's a decent chance it ends up not being used, though.

 

No, that's not how it works. You figure out what our ORTG is when Crabbe is on the court and another one of our players shoots.

I still figure it's above a 94 ORTG clip.

 

Even if the TPE does not come to anything - I do not think the entire match was bad - it was a risk, but that's the name of the game in the NBA - as I said, you can not strike 1.000 in the NBA, some things will end up with paying too much money for AC, others will end up with flipping Plums for Nurk and the ability to get a higher pick in the draft.

 

That wouldn't answer the question. I have no idea how to find out the answer to my question, but it was just there to illustrate that you're comparing the wrong things. What Gordon brings is the ability to score when the scheme or his teammates haven't created a wide open shot for someone--comparing that efficiency to overall team efficiency (that includes all fast break points, all wide open shots, etc) is extremely misleading.

 

That was honestly Olshey's end goal, a TPE? Or was it more like. "he gets better or we can get rid of him down the road. If we are looking at coming out ahead with that of so valuable TPE?! Give me a break!