Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? hehe. It is like seeing a train-wreck. It is atrocious, yet you keep watching in amazement.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? You have to figure that Utah would be getting *something* back in that scenario... maybe Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah from the Bulls, since they'd need to be opening up space in the rotation for Boozer? I could see that deal happening... and I think I'd like it for the Blazers, especially if we were also moving Blake/Outlaw for Lee. Hinrich/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden with bench backup from Bayless/Rudy/Lee/Joel would be, I think, a pretty marked improvement to our rotation from last year. I think that team would be a serious contender. SR
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Exactly. Do you think the Bulls would be interested in a deal that brought in Boozer and shipped out Hinrich and either Thomas or Noah? (I don't really feel like I have a good sense of how highly Bulls management values their current guys.)
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? HInrich to PDX has been discussed for the last year and a half. Note to KP. You have to give up something to get something.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? I don't know if I'm thrilled about this deal. We lose our cap space and acquire Hinrich. I'm in favor of acquiring Hinrich, but we still have needs to fill at small forward and power forward. What happens with Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw? Are they moved in a separate deal to acquire a small forward? Or does Kevin Pritchard get exactly what he wants..... Blake at backup point guard and Outlaw as our backup small forward and power forward? Boy that's a scary thought...
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? The Bulls are $1M under the LT threshold and have said for years they'd never go over it. If they ship out Hinrich at $9M-$9.5M, taking Boozer back at $12M doesn't make any sense. If they take back Boozer and give up Kirk + Thomas, they'd have about $4M-$5M in breathing room to do a little dealing. However, their guard rotation minus Kirk would be Rose and Salmons and nobody else. And they're all of a sudden really heavy in the front court with Deng+Boozer+Noah+Miller and the two draft picks. There was a small rumor of interest by the Bulls in Iverson. He could probably be had for that $4M-$5M and the Bulls could reasonably give him a lot of PT that he might not get elsewhere. I don't see AI as Paxson's kind of guy though - the opposite, in fact. The alternative is to keep Hinrich and do nothing. After the season, they have Jerome James ($6M), Tim Thomas ($6.5M), and Brad Miller ($12M+) coming off the books for $25M more room. If they renounce Tyrus Thomas ($6.5M) instead of giving him a QO, that's even more space. They get to give Thomas another year to prove himself or the option of losing him (as in your proposed deal) while having the cap space to sign Boozer and LeBron in 2010 (or pick 2 max UFAs). What do you think their strategy would be?
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? We could essentially do this with Lee or Odom as well. I purposed a trade like this a few days ago, only I was thinking we could get Mike Miller from Washington.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Utah gets Paul Millsap. Cap relief IS something. They'll lose Millsap if they don't clear some room beneath the luxury tax, since they've indicated that they won't go over the luxury tax threshold. It makes sense to me.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Yeah and the numbers don't add up on Portland's end. Someone would have to be dealt to Utah to make that work.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Interesting, thanks. If I was them, I probably wouldn't do this, then, unless I somehow had already lined up a one-year deal for Iverson or something along those lines. Or, I guess, unless I *really* liked Carlos Boozer. SR
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? My guess is that if KP really wants Hinrich the Blazers had better be prepared to include Rudy in the talks -- even with some wacky 3 or 4 way deal the Bulls are going to need a guard coming back to them. Would I do it? Yeah probably, but then again I don't esteem Rudy nearly as highly as most people around here and I think he's a short term guy in Portland.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Probably to sit on their ass and watch all the top players pass them by. Same as they have been doing for years. If they want to get after it, they need to take some chances. This amazing fascination that Chicago has for stockpiling a platoon's worth of average players is kinda funny. I don't understand your point about 2010 cap space. If they send out matching salaries in the deal for Boozer, wouldn't they have more or less similar cap room doing the deal? It is not like they are sending out one of their ending contracts in the deal.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? That's why I think a Outlaw/Blake deal is much more realistic for Chicago. They get a backup point guard making backup point guard money and another scorer to replace Ben Gordon, both of whom will be free agents next summer. Makes much more sense than us taking the cap hit for Utah and trading it to the Bulls for Hinrich. I'm really hoping we can just sign Odom and trade for Hinrich. I would feel really good about this offseason if we accomplished those two things. Forget Lee.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? I call Horseshit. Rudy is worth Hinrich straight up. "Add" Rudy. I don't think so.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Talk talk talk. Nothing is going to happen. Just like the trade deadline, just like before and during the draft. If any deals were going to have been made, they would have been made. I don't think teams will be too much in the mood to be considering trades until they have evaluated the teams when the season starts.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? "Realistic". 20 - 10. Post offense. Which part of Blake and Outlaw provides any of that. Any of it. Guys like Boozer don't come in mass quantities. Either Chicago wants it or they don't. If they want it, THEY are the ones that have to pay. Not Portland. Not Utah. Chicago gets - by far - the best player in the deal.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? Actually, it's the opposite.... we're doing all this talking, but nothing can actually be done until the 8th(?) or was it the 9th... anyway.... we're in the moratorium right now, so all we CAN do is talk.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? I meant realistic between the Bulls and the Blazers. We do that deal and we still have a logjam at point guard and small forward. Blake/Outlaw for Hinrich meets the needs of both teams, therefor I believe it's a more realistic trade. If they truly want Boozer then I guess the Blazers need to decide if the trade is realistic for them.
Re: Hinrich to PDX Discussed? I do and I don't when I think about it. In one regard, Portland is still offering the same stuff they have offered over the last year because no personnel has changed. So our offers are still the same old offers. But there are a few teams that are going to have to shave salary in order to keep players, or just for the sake of shaving salary. So I can see that angle as making them motivated. The thing is, I don't see any of those guys having anything were "shopping for" now. So that being said, maybe Portland gets involved in a 3 way being the relief valve for somebody. But as for Portland going after the "Gerald Wallace's" of the league, they are really still only offering the same deal they offered last year, so that hasn't changed.
