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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I was wrong about jump shots, but the following quote taken from a Blazersedge interview doesn't fill me with hope:

     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Slow recovery, but has anything been said about this being potentially career-altering? Most bone breaks aren't career-altering...tendons/ligaments are the really serious ones.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Mother bitches!!! I've had the biggest boner for Ramon Sessions. It's not going to be easy to part ways with my dreams of landing him.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I may be wrong here, but I'd guess that a decline in his touches would improve his efficiency. Plus, he'll be playing with talented playmakers, as well as under one of the best coaches in the league. Maybe his overall production will decrease by I could see him even improving his efficiency. My guess is the Spurs help him return to something like his form back in the good old days with Kidd and the Nets. Good trade for them.
    My first thought as well. Even if Sessions was KP's 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice, he was also maybe the easiest PG to obtain this summer. This hurts our leverage. Who knows though, maybe Sessions will refuse to sign with the Bucks and force a S&T to Portland or Atlanta (where he lives, IIRC) so he can play on a contender/playoff team.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I would like to point that his efficiency as far as shooting percentages might go up - but his effectiveness per possession (which is what PER measures) will definitely go down if he does not get the shots/touches...

    Maybe the word efficiency is the culprit here - but when discussing efficiency - you really need to determine what PER (the subject of this discussion) measures - and that is effectiveness per possession (it's not even per minute as some would assume - that's why pace is a component).
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I'd love to have Varejao - great motor, decent rebounder, excellent defender, still young. Not sure why you ruled him out. He's basically been a career back-up and it's a role he's well suited to. We llikely have the cap space to get him - if that's how we want to spend our cap space.

    I'm not sure why you ruled out McDyess and Howard. McDyess would actually be at the top of my list as a veteran back-up power forward. Even though he'll be 35 before the start of training camp, he was VERY productive in Detroit last season. He had a PER of 16.6 and an outstanding TRB% of 19.3. I'd love to get this guy on a 2-year guarannteed contract with a 3rd year team option. Depending on what happens with the draft and the PG situation, I would even use a large portion of our cap space to do so.

    I'd rate Howard about equal to Oberto in terms of value/production. I'm not thrilled with either.

    Wow, you rate Oberto amazingly high. I'm not sure why. Have you looked at his stats? His production was abyssmal last season - a very low PER and an unimpressive TRB%. I'd honestly rank Shavlik Randolph ahead of Oberto. He's younger, likely cheaper, and will produce just as well, if not better. I'd also definitely rate Shelden Williams and Chris Wilcox above Oberto. I'd rate Swift and Marks about equal to Oberto - and wouldnt be thrilled with any of them.

    I know he had a down year, but I'd rather have Channing Frye than Oberto (or Swift or Marks). His production last season was about equal to Oberto's, he's 8 years younger, and if the pattern continues, he's due to have a good season. He actually produced pretty well his first season in Portland (14.8 PER, 15.5 TRB% - pretty good numbers for a back-up 4). He also knows the system and is well liked.

    Of course, I want somebody better than Channing Frye as our back-up power forward - which is EXACTLY why I don't want Fabricio Oberto. He's an older version of Channing Frye with greasy hair and an accent. I don't see that as an upgrade.

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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I liked Sessions, but definitely not that much. I've never been that excited about ANY NBA player.

    I'm sure we'll be fine without him if we're not able to sign him. In KP we trust!
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I was watching the NBATV NW Division draft preview last night and The NBA director of scouting (Blake) and Fratello mentioned the Webster injury and the problems healing as reasons who he picked the Blazers to take. He was completely unsolicited, as I found several times during the various draft preview programs that little tidbits of information previously not discussed by the teams slipped out.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I ruled out Varejao because of his past contract dispute and because the number of minutes he's getting in Cleveland. I think he'll want all of our cap money and there is no way KP would shell out that cash for a guy who is going to play more than 10mpg. Unless he already has a deal in place for Joel, which I don't think he does. I would bet everything I have that Varejao will not be on our team next season.

    I ruled out McDyess because he said he's either going to retire or finish his career out in Detroit. Even if he went somewhere else, he would only go to a team he thought could win a championship this year, and I doubt he thinks Portland can.

    I understand why you think Oberto isn't good, and his stats last season were less than impressive. However, so were Howard's, so your criteria isn't very consistent. I always feel that players stats in San Antonio are diminished because of their system and their team approach.

    I do not think Oberto is the 2nd most talented player on that list, but I think we could get him for cheaper than a lot of players I listed below him. He's a veteran despite not having played in the NBA for a long time, and would be happy to play 12mpg.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs


    You folks do know Oberto has a career threatening heart condition right? = Medical Retirement.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Odd. Although, in the story on ESPN, they also mention his unguaranteed deal. I would guess S2's storytellers link is the one that is wrong here.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Detroit is in salary cutting/rebuilding mode. I doubt if they'll offer McDyess a contract that reflects his worth. Of course, there will be multiple contenders who would be able to offer him the MLE - but will they? And even if they do, Portland can offer more.

    My criteria is absolutely consistent. Here's what I wrote about Howard:

    "I'd rate Howard about equal to Oberto in terms of value/production. I'm not thrilled with either."

    I rate them the same (not very good) and don't really want either one.

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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Apparently Oberto is about on the same level as Amir Johnson, because he's already been traded from the Bucks to the Pistons.

    I would have put Amir Johnson 2nd on that list as well, so I'm not too surprised with the trade.

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    Johnson is both younger (a lot) and better (a little) than Oberto, but his production has steadily declined as is minutes have gone up. At 6'9" 210 lbs. he's not axactly the banger back-up power forward I'm hoping for.

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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I don't agree with your opinion he is a lot better, but I'll agree he's younger.
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    I've got to say that I'm pretty happy for the Spurs- they should return to the elite (assuming Gin
     
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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Read what I wrote. I said he was a little better.

    Doesn't matter. This trade wasn't about talent. It was a salary dump by the Pistons, who immediately waived Oberto.

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    Re: Spurs nets trade Jefferson to spurs

    Greg Popovich is the coach. Why bother worrrying? I would ask you this. When was the last time the San Antonio Spurs fucked up bringing in an experienced veteran who didn't fit their system? The last one I remember was Dennis Rodman. That was a hell of a long time ago, and I cannot recall one error since then. Since then all I can remember is success. Finley. Thomas. Roger Mason. Brent Berry. I wouldn't be worried if I were them. They just got back into it.
     
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