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He moves pretty well relative to his size. I like the potential of his shot as well. At 26 it's a no doubter imo

 

Yeah, well most of us in here have watched him live so, we know. Lol.

 

Here are mine as I would like to see us draft defensive talent:

15)
A. Donovan Mitchell
B. Zach Collins
C. OG Anunoby

20)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Justin Jackson
C. Ike Anigbogu
D. Justin Patton

26)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Jordan Bell
C. Semi Ojeleye
D. Isaiah Hartenstein

Second Round Surprise (via trade or PA's $$$)
A. PJ Dozier
B. Josh Hart
C. Dwayne Bacon
D. Wesley Iwundu

 

Ok I'll play

15)

A. Kennard
B. Patton (I'm assuming Z. Collins will be gone)
C. Mitchell

20)

A. Giles
B. Ferguson
C. Anunoby

26)

A. Hartenstein
B. Pasecniks
C. Lessort

 

Here's some more Patton notes I'd made back in April after cooling off on him a bit after a largely poor showing during conference play. Most of that stretch was w/o his starting PG so the easy baskets started to dry up and his weaknesses going against better comp were more exposed.

Justin Patton 7'0" C - Creighton

Strengths

• Fluid athlete (highly coordinated for his size)
• Ability to run the floor (runs hard in both off & def transition)
• Above average leaper in space (lob target)
• Passing vision (throws high level passes w/ both hands)
• Feel guarding in space / pnr (gets into wide stance, fluid hips + quick feet allow him to slide + change direction)
• Active hands (good anticipation / instincts)
• Fluid shot mechanics (good %'s on small sample -- slight hitch in release)
• Shows some ability to put it on the floor (late bloomer, flashes guard-like skills / signs of face-up game)
• Potential dual pnr / pnp threat (mid range shooting + passing + ballhandling gives him potential short roll versatility)

Weaknesses

• Strength (struggles to hold his position)
• Conditioning (plays hard, but can only go for 4-5 min before losing his wind (def positioning / stance suffers)
• Narrow frame + high COG (lacks elite length / reach to make up for it, limits interior defense potential)
• Rebounding instincts (rarely first off the floor or persuing rebounds outside immediate area -- strength issues play a part)
• Shot blocking instincts (lacks twitch / timing / reach to be consistent presence besides making the obvious play)
• Raw offensively (tries to do too much at times, still figuring out what he can and can't do)
• Low post skills (shows flashes, but lacks strength and experience -- doesn't project to be a post up player though)
• Passing accuracy (sees floor at a high level for age, but accuracy is mixed, prone to wild passes)
• Finishing through length / contact (lacks lift when bodied)
• Post defense (lack of strength allows players to get into go-to moves, lacks length / reach / twitch to be disruptive otherwise)

Bust Potential: 7 / 10 (possible fatal defensive flaws + low usg% offensively)
Median Outcome: 10th-13th Man (situational offensive-minded center)
Ultimate Upside: High Post Playmaker (Marcus Camby w/ less rim protection)

 

I think you're completely wrong on Patton. Almost every weakness you listed is strength or conditioning based. which will improve in the NBA. Every strength was skillset based or an athletic tool that is much harder to improve than strength.

 

Is Kennard moving up the draft boards or something? He reminds me a lot of Babbitt. Not something I want to invest a 15th pick in

 

Be careful with comparing Kennard to any NBA player. I said Reddick and somehow that was a bad comparison and Reddick is Kennard's worst case scenario...

 

Fify.

 

I heard the Blazers really like Giles.

 

Doesn't he have asthma? He be in better condition with better medical staff in the pros.

 

Thing that's exciting about Patton is he's relatively new to his body. It's similar to the growth spurt Meyers had but I have more confidence in Patton translating.

 

To add a little context, this was probably the point in year when I was the lowest on Justin--I've bounced back a little since then. These notes also served as more of an overview of his current strengths and weaknesses and less so a definitive statement about how those will or won't develop in the future. I do think it's fair though to question how much strength acquisition potential he has--his narrow shoulders and narrow/high hips are things that won't change.

And you can forget the "bust potential" number. It's pretty arbitrary and something that changes week to week with all these guys as you go through the natural ebbs and flows of prospect evaluation over an extended period of time. People also define being a "bust" very differently, so there's not a whole lot you can take from it.

With all that said, I have been one of the biggest Patton supporters in this thread since February and I still like him a lot. I do feel he's a bit of a boom or bust prospect, but there's not a lot of boom in this draft past the top 7-8, which is why I'm happy to pick him--even at #15--and even w/ him being a far less obvious fit now w/ Nurkic around (I'm lower on his ability to play 4 than most here, especially if you are trying to compete with GS during the next 5+ years).

 

Not a combative question, but why?

 

Better functional athleticism.

 

His dad is 7'3, 350lbs. There's no doubt that Patton could add 20-30lbs of muscle.

I don't see why we couldn't develop Patton into a 4. He has decent lateral quickness, is agile, and has a developeable jumper.

I think he'll probably develop into starting big quality, which will be good for the 1st big off the bench. He reminds me a lot of Myles Turner.

 

Anybody can add weight, it's just a matter of how much of that is "good weight". I see him being 240-245 in his athletic prime (23-27).

Myles Turner is a tough comparison for me to agree with much too. Myles had a wider/longer frame, elite blk #'s, better rebounding numbers and more projectable shooting potential--all at a younger age. Patton has better feet, agility,speed and more projectable passing/handling potential.

 

Semi Ojeleye, much like John Collins, is a guy you really want to like after listening to them interview.

Sometimes you just have to trust the tape, and I just don't see enough offensive skill or defensive potential to be very high on either of them.

 

Just in terms of style of play offensively.