Merged: TIme to work the Trade Machine! [Possible Chris Paul trades]

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The Hornets would be rebuilding. Posey is useless as a player and Peja is an expiring anyways. Why would they care? Azubuike can swing from 2/3, Randolph swings from 3/4.

And New York is completely crazy and confident. I think they would push hard for Paul, fill out the roster with minimum players, then go after Melo, and convince him to stay that way.

 

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How could NY go after Melo if they have Amare on a MAX deal, Paul on a MAX deal and they have to have Okafor on the team in order to get NO to make a deal. How can they possibly have cap room for Melo?

 

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There are many options, they would only have Amare and Okafor under contract in 2012, which, if we assume the cap stays the same, they could have ~26Million in cap space. Enough to sign one and then s/t for the other. Given what Bosh, James and Wade have done (and especially if they win a title), I can definitely see Paul and Melo taking a bit less, assuming they really did want to form another trio.

They could try dumping Okafor as well if he plays well.

Who knows if the new CBA has kicked him by then.

The Knicks are crazy, I think they'd pursue a ton of options.

 

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I place Batum and Randolph (exciting upside propositions with some measure of NBA success already) on the same level and Gallinari and Bayless (still largely unproven question marks who have not yet disappointed) on the same level.

 

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For 9 games, then he totally shredded his knee...

 

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best trade yet.

 

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Ah, that makes sense. I was wondering how he turned into a beast.

 

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Guys we need to win this once in a generation trade sweepstakes where we have the biggest stack of chips. This is the best offer we can make IMO (because Oden and Roy are off the table in my mind):

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25y6fz3

It's just so much cap relief and so much talent in return. We still keep the core three and add Paul and really aren't thin anywhere. I'm curious if someone can beat that trade without giving up Roy or Oden. Remember nobody is gonna want to help us here. We could trade LMA first to NJN for Favors + TPE and keep Batum but I don't like that as much.

THINK BIG guys an offer they can't refuse.

 

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That's a damn nice package, but really you don't want to let Caron walk so you can't look at him as relief and same with Terry. Too good to let walk. It's the best talent Package I've seen anyone come up with though.

 

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Orlando could offer this and give up a good PG (duplicates Collison though) an averagish but CHEAP Center and a soon to expire mega contract with a wee bit of star power gas in the tank. Ok, basically no gas in the tank. OK OK, you would need Oil skimmers working 24/7 bringing in Oil from the gulf to refine to begin to fill Carter's tank which clearly has a hole in the bottom, but still!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a82gcw

 

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As would I. I mean really who wouldn't?

 

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That is thinking BIG ... I guess I hadn't considered taking on Posey too, but that certainly adds a body (even though he's pretty much a stiff) to plug into the small forward spot in a pinch (most likely behind Matthews).

Paul/Johnson/Mills
Roy/Matthews/Williams
Matthews/Posey/Babbitt
LMA/Cunningham
Oden/Okafor/Pendergraph

That's a pretty stacked 8 man rotation, with some youngsters to groom for the future in Babbitt, Mills, Williams and Johnson. You might want to find a really long wing defender down the line, and depending on Dante's development you might look for a better backup 4, but overall that team would pretty damn dangerous with pretty good balance.

 

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Randolph and Batum are comparable. Galinari and Bayless are also comparable but IMO Bayless has WAY more upside as he has't had a chance to get significant minutes and show what he can really do. Gallinari has and hasn't been very impressive IMO.

The thing is Randolph replicates West so he isn't as appealing IMO as Batum who is a SF and also is familiar to Monty. I hope to god Monty is pulling for us and pushes things in that direction.

Our potential offers, especially upping the ante like my proposed trade where we take back Okafor AND Posey are still better IMO.

Maybe someone can do some BBR player comparisons so we can see other stats like Drtg etc. to help parse it out. I feel like the trade to Portland just makes more sense for all involved minus the Sith Lord Stern factor.

 

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The problem I see with that deal from New Orleans perspective is that they end up violating the "never trade big for small" rule; they'd be gutted in their front court -- left with nothing but West, Songalia, Gray and rookie Craig Brackins.

 

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Taking on Posey too is our silver bullet IMO and that we flesh out NOH quite well and make them both competitive right away and ready to gear down with salary cap relief. You add in Euros, Picks, draft rights and $3 million in cash even Dante and Pendy as well if NOH wants them, and I feel that's the best single team offer possible for NOH. Sure we could foolishly throw in Oden but that IMO fucks up the future in our front court. I know Oden is injured but he IS the best shot we have at overpowering the Heat and LAL.

When you add in familiarity with Monty I think that's the best offer available that I can think of. Again Sith Lord Stern could fuck this all up with bullshit tampering charges (That seems far fetched, fucking LeBron hello?!?!?), secret inducements/blackmail/mind control.

 

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Well, if they are committed to rebuilding, I think they'd end up moving West too.

 

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I'd hate to add Oden. He's really the difference between beating the Lakers, not Chris Paul. Not that CP3 can't, just that Oden dominating the paint is what it's going to take with them having Bynum/Gasol/Odom

 

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Yeah, I'd read something like CP3 to Portland, West to Orlando. Some sports anchor in NO that said he has sources Portland has the pieces NO wants.

 

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Yep, Oden/Roy off the table period. The key is taking both Posey and Okafor for salary relief I think we're the only team in contention that can do both, give tons of young talent in positions of need AND not gut our own roster. Maybe NYK are willing to gut their own roster beyond the moons of Saturn to snag Paul, fuck that would piss me off. Really it's between us and the Knicks unless Cho is a moron. I would give Rudy's left nut to be a fly on the wall of NOH's GM offices.

This report as posted elsewhere gives me hope:

http://www.wdsu.com/offsidesblog/index.html

If we get Paul I'm going to start a Monty Williams statue Political Action Comittee. The goal would be to tear down Big Pink and replace it with a 200 foot statue of Monty.

Monty could help us now more then ever.

 

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If we're taking Posey too, then we sub Cunningham for Batum.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28wdlas

NO is still getting huge cap relief as well as 3 good young prospects, and like you said we can throw in euros, picks, cash too.

Paul / Johnson / Mills / Williams
Roy / Matthews / Williams
Batum / Babbitt / Posey
Aldridge / Pendy
Oden / Okafur

(and then I woke up)