Meyers mandate to shoot swish3s

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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    I am asking questions and you are not answering.
     
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    This answer is the exemplary evidence of refusing to acknowledge Meyers accomplishment. No one else in the NBA has achieved 76.9% in the playoffs, and you cannot ignore the standing record. If other great NBA players could have done this they would have.
     
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    Orion Bailey WHINEY BIG BITCH!!!!!

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    Stats like this don't usually align with great players. Why? usage.

    What if Layman had retired after his first game? He would have the greatest percentage in history. Nobody is saying he is the greatest in history.

    The size of the sample means everything.
     
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    No no no. This is exactly opposite to what I suggested. To optimize Meyers scoring potential, I imagine that fans would just anticipate the swish3 score, just as we do for a swish3 about to be scored by Dame, and prepare to cheer as the swish3 occurs, followed by something like Dame time. Perhaps we should chant Meyers Power! But this should happen after the shot, not to potentially distract from it.
     
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    This post is on target in noting the choice of who shoots the swish3s can be improved and the absence of plays or even looks for open Meyers shots in the plays called. Given the half court Blazer off ball movements that lead to shots, we need to add passes to the perimeter to the clearly successful Meyers screen + assist passes that are creating open swish3 shots for Dame and others. I agree that Terry can do better with optimizing plays to make players successful and progress with the wining gameplan.
     
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    Yes, it is a slower shot, but it is accuracy and not speed that is paramount. To take advantage of the deliberate precision of Meyers swish3 scoring, the Blazer coaches need to make assignments from before the game starts for swish3 scoring of 9 or more per half, which is different in my mind from just saying shoot whenever you can. Having an idea in mind as a game long assignment may be the key, along with perimeter passes and looks to Meyers arriving just on time at a sweet spot simultaneous with a quick assist pass to facilitate the swish3 shot. It is not necessary to change the style of the shot to improve scoring with it.
     
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    Hi BNM. Thanks for the thoughtful response. We agree on some points, but differ on others. Meyers in his 7th year is improved and has contributed importantly to the Blazer offense and defense. He is sometimes strategically using the arc to space the floor, open shots for others, give powerful screens, and open the paint. He deserves credit for this part of his actions on the floor, and some leeway to make decisions on when to shoot. But the Blazers need to be capitalizing more on his excellent swish3 scoring potential.

    If the playbook were expanded to include a few plays to open Meyers on the arc for swish3 scoring, there is no reason why he should be taking these shots (and not Nurk or Evan or even Chief on a cold night) to achieve a Blazer swish3 percentage of over 40, or even 50%. In this scenario, it makes sense to specifically assign Meyers and teammates who will feed him assists to plan for 6 swish3 shots per half. Added to the dunk2s and the free1s that will result, I can visualize Meyers increasing the 17 point scoring that he has done in the past to 20+ point scoring. And on a night when he is hot, perhaps shooting 70%+ if he keeps shooting, a 30 point game is possible.

    It is true that Meyers is taking more shots per min played than Seth, but given his record that is OK. The Blazers need to add scoring power and offensive play variety to improve PPG to about 130 in my estimation to win the WCF and the Championship. I think that mandating increased swish3 scoring by Meyers is an excellent opportunity to do so.
     
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    Now at 52.9% for swish3s, Meyers is leading the entire NBA! This fact is a compelling argument that the game plan should mandate more (6+) swish3 shots per half.
     
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    Square peg, round hole.
     
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    Meyers is playing really well this season...I just think he needs a new landscape where he'll start or be the second option at least and have a chance to have a fanbase that likes him more than Portland does....he's built a lot of trade value.
     
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    With what he has accomplished as a Blazer, I think that it is time for Meyers fans to get onboard with viewing him as a key component of a WCF Champion team. It is time to move past the counterproductive negative thoughts of the past and to bring optimism that can move the team forward to winning in the playoffs. Positive comments on this forum can help. Let's build on achievements and aim for success!
     
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    He's taken over Collins spot recently as first big off the bench..and he's been an impact player. No complaints from me there...his rebounding is what's impressed me last couple games
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Remember just 15 months ago when the Melo to HOU three-way trade was supposedly shot down because the Knicks wouldn't take on would take on Meyers' contract? My how times have changed. Melo has gone from a highly desired "superstar" making $27 million a year to making the vet min to basically being unemployed. Meanwhile, Meyers has gone from untradeable to a solid NBA back up center who may actually be underpaid based on his age and current production. My how the tables have turned...

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Sorry to (attempt to) inject a little bit of reality into your Meyers-friendly algorithm, but no one in the entire history of the NBA has ever averaged 12 3FGA/G. Steph Curry averaged 11.2 in 2015-16, his second MVP season. James Harden is currently averaging 11.1 3FGA/G in Mike D'Antoni's 3-point happy 7 second or less offense. In fact, no one other than Curry and Harden have ever even averaged 10 3FGA/G.

    So, any plan that depends on Meyers Leonard averaging 12 3FGA/G is pure fantasy. Any plan that has him shooting that many 3-pointers AND maintaining his league leading 3FG% of .529 is delusional.

    Not trying to be negative. Trying to be real.

    I'm trying @swish3.

    BNM
     
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    OK. I agree with your point that this is a lot of swish3 attempts. But I did not have the aim that this should be a season average. If we got Meyers in the game plan mindset that he should score 9 swish3 points per half, and analyze the result of that experiment for a series of 6 games, I predict that we would see better success than in the last 3 games.

    Perhaps we should aim for a long term goal of Meyers averaging 10 swish3 attempts per game, with the goal of seeing him score 15 swish3 PPG and continue to add dunk2s and free1s to realize the 18+ PPG average that he might then be in position to contribute over the long run. And if he can again excel in the playoffs, we can get ready to celebrate!

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    So, basically you want Meyers Leonard, our back up center, to average as many 3FGA/G as Seth Curry and James Harden - and make them at a higher percentage.

    Good plan! I'll start planning the parade route now!

    BNM
     
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    It is hard to take this thread seriously, but I agree Meyers should take about two more attempts per game. Most games I have seen him in he passes up at least two open threes--where closers are coming, but wouldn't get there in time if he was more decisive one his shot. Creates a nice mismatch and also clears out space for others.
     
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    There is great value in paying attention to the swish3 scoring game, as is evident in wins by the Blazers and other teams as scoring averages have increased this season and are headed up. Based on a mandate of scoring 15 swish3s for the game, I imagine the following choice of Blazers to make the swish3 attempts to optimize scoring and the probability for wins in the upcoming games. The Blazers are selected based on statistics for this year, and current swish3 %, shots to score, and number of attempts likely are included in that order.

    Meyers at 52.9% should score 5 of 10. If he is having a hot hand night, less shots to score 5, or even making more than 5, is quite possible.
    Dame at 33.5% and CJ at 38.5% combined should score 5 of 14.
    Seth at 45.9%, Jake at 38.5%, Nik at 38.1%, Zach at 36.5%, and Chief at 32.5% combined should score 5 of 14. Choice of who shoots should be based on who has the hot hand determined by swish3 shots made during the game and by ranking made consecutive swish3s during warmups, to guide optimization of this group of 5 scoring.

    Nurk, Evan, and other Blazers who have not made at least 5 of their first 15 swish3 attempts in games should not be shooting swish3s. No Blazer should continue attempting swish3 shots after missing 3 consecutive misses.

    This plan asks for discipline to optimize powerful swish3 scoring potential, and does ask a lot of Meyers. But he is leading the NBA in swish3 scoring percentage and is capable of contributing at least 4 swish3s per game. What is new in this mandate is declaring the plan from before the game, ideally in practices going on today, rather than leaving the choices and number of shots to being determined by the flow of the game. Let's try this mandate and designated swish3 shooting and look for getting back to 70% wins.
     
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    No.

    Its a stat that gets you laughed at for using it as any barometer of consistency.
     
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    You never asked a question. You made a statement.
     

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