Meyers mandate to shoot swish3s

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  1. swish3

    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    No. Meyers was 1 of 3 tonight but will get back in the leading 50%+ groove in coming games, and may again lead the NBA 3 point scoring. He needs another made shot, and to keep his accurate touch going, continue to play with energy and enthusiasm, shoot from well timed assist passes to sweet spots, and continue to be a screening, rebounding, pass distributing force for the Blazer bench. I expect that he will continue to trade places with Bojan at the top of the swish3 % scoring leader board.

    I thought that Meyers played a good game tonight, in particular that screen that got Dame his 10th swish3, even though this was not among his peak shooting games. Let's see what Meyers does against the Nuggets on Friday.
     
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    swish3 Well-Known Member

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    The Nuggets game provides support for my argument that Meyers does not have the mandate, in the form of a game plan that includes his scoring 9+ swish3 points with at least 6 attempts. In the Nuggets game, Meyers was on target to score 50% with 1 of 2, but took no more shots because he did not get the assist passes when he worked open on the arc. There were at least 6 times when I noted that he was at the sweet spot and open, but Dame, CJ, Evan, Nik, and Zach did not look at him and instead missed a strongly challenged, or even double-teamed shot, or made a bad pass, rather than a pass or series of passes that would have allowed Meyers to take those additional 4 swish3 shots that would probably have added 6 points and won the game.

    There is no way that the Blazers should have lost the swish3 contest to the Nuggets by 24 points with an NBA leading swish3 % shooter on the team, but we did! For the Spurs game, a game plan should state before the game starts (instead of just determined by game flow) that Meyers should shoot 6 swish3s, and if he is making 50%+ keep shooting swish3s, to help achieve wins over the Spurs, and Mavericks, and in future games. The most swish3 attempts that Meyers has taken this season were 4, and in the Nuggets team 27% swish3 shooting game, only 2. The Blazers need to have a game plan that takes advantage of the swish3 scoring talent on the team and to aim for 15+ swish3s scored per game. When Dame and Nik are not hitting them, the Blazers should be counting on Meyers to use his excellent swish3 scoring talent as a mainstay to keep 3 point power scoring up to at least the level of the opponent. In most games, 15 will do it, but 12 is not enough.
     
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    @swish3 you need to coin a term for Nard's screen assists.
    Guy has always been Portland's best screener.
     
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    What a game! Not only did the Blazers not mandate swish3 shooting by top of the NBA Meyers, there was not a single swish3 attempt (and only one made dunk2) FG by him. This does not make sense. The game plan did not even have Meyers moving to the arc. Even further, with 2 of 2 scoring by Mo and 4 of 5 scoring by Chief, the Blazers had swish3 attempts taken mostly by Dame 11 and CJ 6, and Zach missed both of his 2. The Blazers were 12 of 29 (41.4%) on swish3s, but did not do as well with % in the 2nd half. Mo and Chief should have continued to shoot.

    The lack of defense was painful, with more than 30 points allowed each quarter. The half ended with 62 Spurs points to 55 Blazer points, and then the Blazers allowed 35 and 34 points in the 3rd and 4th quarters. The 131 point Spurs score demonstrates why I have stated that the Blazers need to be aiming to score at least 130 PPG for a chance to win. The Spurs scored 11 of 15 swish3s (73.3%)! The Blazers must play better defense and counter swish3 scoring with selecting and feeding the hot hand, and must do so throughout the game.

    From now on, let's have game planning that makes a weapon of our swish3 shooting by emphasizing our hot hand shooters and feeding them assist passes.
     
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    The Mavs game was a terrible shock event on many levels. There is a lot to criticize. I will stay with the theme of strategy for better Blazer scoring. It is just indefensible to me that with one of the top 2 swish3 shooters in the NBA, the coaches of the Blazers, now for 2 games in a row, did not order up a single swish3 by Meyers. The off ball pattern that Meyers has run in both of the Texas games does not even have him popping to the arc, and he did not even try to get open for a shot. While some on this forum might blame Meyers, it is evident to me that the play plan by the coaches did not include swish3 shooting that would have brought the Blazers from 6-12 points, or perhaps more, if Meyers swish3 shooting were included.

    In earlier games, e.g., Knicks on Nov 20, MIN on Nov 16, BOS on Nov 11), Meyers was not only screening, but popping out to the arc and moving in concert with teammates to get opponents off balance and out of position, and that created open shots for him and more often for others. That scoring pattern also included more passes and assists, and higher total scoring above the 112 point NBA average. In the last 2 games, the pattern seems to be screen everywhere, inside the arc and even in the paint, and clog up the lane under the basket. This sag to the basket rotation is a terrible waste of talent and opportunity for shots. The Blazers must analyze offense player movements and focus on optimizing scoring power, including getting to 15+ swish3s per game and aiming for more than league average (112 pt) scoring, The Blazers can be scoring 120-130 PPG.

    In this thread, I argued for mandating that Meyers shoot at least 6 swish3 attempts which would increase Blazer scoring by 9 PPG, just assuming the average, and possibly 12+ PPG. These additional points are enough to make the difference, turning these losses into wins. Even in the MAVs game, the 9 points would have given us a 111 tie. With Meyers shooting during his min in the 1st Q and 2nd Q, there should be no more Q in which the Blazers score <28 points. These last 2 games seem to prove my point that Meyers is not getting the mandate, either as individual coaching or as team game plan, to contribute to his potential. This flaw needs to be addressed for the Blazers to get back on the winning pathway.
     
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    Strenuus Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    You do realize that Meyers had 2 fouls in 45 seconds and was out of the game with 3 fouls in 5 minutes, right?

    That invalidated everything you said. Focus on the game, not your agenda.
     
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    Yes, Meyers had fouls. And so did others in a poorly inconsistently officiated game. He could have played for a long stretch with 3 fouls. That is not the point. Nothing that I said is negated!

    The Blazers needed the 9-15 points that Meyers could have contributed if the screen outside the arc and pop open pattern of earlier winning games were the game plan. Looking for what worked and optimizing player talents for Blazer scoring is what we need for wins. Of course, defense also has to improve by keeping a fresh lineup in the game that can provide tenacious determined close defense, swatting away passes, preventing layups, and interfering with swish3 attempts.

    A game plan that optimizes Blazer talents will result in a return to winning.
     
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    Here's a guy (Dwight Jaynes) who agrees with swish3 (and i agree with this article).
    • "As you probably know, Meyers Leonard (.513) is Portland’s best three-point shooter and he didn’t get anything close to an attempt in this game. The Blazers’ second-best shooter from three? That would be Seth Curry (.447). He got two attempts and made one. Nik Stauskas is shooting .400 and he was 0-3, unusual for him. But Jake Layman, who is shooting .385, didn’t even play – although he was a starter earlier in the season.
    • Al-Farouq Aminu, coming off two terrific three-point shooting games, didn’t get his first attempt until four and a half minutes remained in the game. He made it."
    I noticed myself in last night's game that the players were playing with urgency and desperation late in the game, but they really didn't any closer. The only team type play i saw in the last five minutes was someone (Lillard?) kicking the ball out to Aminu for a three. Why not let guys like Leonard and Curry shoot more threes; I mean why not actually run plays that set them up to take an open three?

    https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...zers-quality-3-point-shooters-getting-more-3s
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I'm struggling to decide if this makes @swish3's position more, or less, credible.

    BNM
     
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    Yeh, I even question my own ideas. Like if we actually ran plays for Leonard, would that make him freeze up and blow the shot?
     
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    The 2 Texas games make it clear that there was no plan for Meyers to shoot swish3s. Sagging into the paint instead of staying at the arc allowed double teaming of Dame, CJ, and Nurk. It was a major mistake not to call on the swish3 accuracy of Meyers to score the 9-15 points that he could have contributed, as he has in previous games. Yes, he would have probably scored them if given the chance in the corners or at one of his many sweet spots if the Blazers had directed his off ball movements as in the games in which he scored 3 to 5 swish3s. Dame, CJ, and Nurk really need the swish3 scoring that Meyers can bring. These games show that he does not have the mandate from the coaches,
     
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    Did I miss a game in Houston?
     
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    That was a typo now corrected.
     
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    The mandate for Meyers to score 9-15 PPG via swish3s is missing. In the last 4 games, Meyers shot 1 (MIN), 2 (Suns), 0 (DAL), and 0 (Spurs), despite that fact that he is averaging >50% shooting to this point. Meyers is at the highest in his career with 16.8 points/36 min, 18.0 TRB%, 3.2 BPM, 11.8 in ASST%, and 0.205 in WS/48. These numbers verify that he is contributing in both offense and defense, and prompt my call for optimizing his scoring into the 12-20 PPG (counting added dunk2s and free1s) that he ought to be contributing to Blazer wins.

    I believe that Meyers is obedient to Blazer coaches, and yet the most swish3 attempts per game that Meyers has made this season are 4. It is a missed opportunity to ask Meyers to take midrange jump shots. That does not make sense given that he has documented swish3 scoring achievements and remains among the top few swish3 % shooters in the NBA. The Blazers need to return to the game plan that has Meyers moving to his sweet spots for assist passes to accomplish the 9+ point scoring on 6 or less swish3 attempts. Meyers productivity in swish3 scoring will lead the Blazers to wins when the coaches game plan includes the mandate for 6 or more swish3 attempts by Meyers in each game.
     

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