Absolutely correct. Dame may get traded but it won't be for a lowball offer. I think the staff has demonstrated that they are okay keeping him.
Honor Lillard’s trade request. Lillard/Goodwin pick Miami and warn others off. Miami lowball. Cronin makes position clear, and a trade may take months. If Miami doesn’t send the needed assets, Lillard not traded to Miami. If another team — Brooklyn (Lillard’s other pick in an earlier interview) or Toronto (Masai Ujiri) or a longer shot like Minnesota or Utah — beats the Miami assets, then Lillard is traded. If not, then no trade. The Miami chatter regarding keeping Herro while trading for Lillard is preparing not to get Lillard. They know they don’t have the trade unless someone suddenly wants Herro — and Jaquez and Jovic don’t suddenly look much better — and they have to fork over max picks. In other words — and it’s only September — but taking the field over a Miami trade becomes the more likely outcome by October.
exactly who are these people? I didn't think Dame would ask for a trade but I sure didn't think, or say, it couldn't happen when Dame initially asked for a trade, I thought the chances were about 95% it would happen in the summer. Then, when the reports started coming out about what Dame's agent was telling teams, I thought the odds dropped to around 60% it would happen this summer. And when the reports and rumors percolated that no other teams than Miami were actually engaged in any trade talks, I was thinking it was only about 50-50 it would happen before training camp; maybe even less I think the current situation is an impasse. Dame still wants Miami and his agent has not changed tactics; Portland is getting no real interest from any team than Miami; Pat Riley is low-balling Portland; and Blazers have no interest in moving Dame for a shit package....and that's all that Miami can offer. Miami has bad young prospects. They have no available starting level players other than Herro, which Portland doesn't want (and the Blazers should not want Ant either). And their draft pick assets are either poor or too far in the future. And as I said, I don't think Riley has come close to making all of those assets available I think an ancillary component of this is that Miami has shopped Herro and received very little interest and very weak returns. Like Portland with Dame, Miami has no leverage in a Herro trade. Portland is looking to trade a Lexus; Miami is offering a Moped. So yeah, I think the odds are Dame will still be a Blazer opening night. There are only about 2 ways Portland can salvage this situation now and one of them is not in their control: that's Dame adding 2 or 3 more teams to his wish list. The other way is Dame in the staring lineup when the season starts and playing like he did last year, proving what his value is. But again, if Dame doesn't expand his list past Miami....yikes! And the 'sit Dame at home during games' idea is loopy IMO. His value, as low as it is, would only get lower if that happened
Reasonable all the way through, IMHO. And so … 1. Lillard/Goodwin quietly open the list to save face and get a trade done … 2. Another team (Brooklyn or Toronto) snatches him up with better and better fitting assets … … or the more than highly unlikely … 3. Cronin stealth keeps Lillard by trading Ant, picks, Keon, and Little for a quality SF (or PF) and veteran depth in the front court. The next generation of Scoot, Sharpe, Rupert, Murray and Walker remains. All but Rupert see court time as they actually can play. Rupert maxes out on Remix. Nurkic, Grant, Matisse, Lillard plus the incoming players … It costs draft capital moving forward and settling up with Chicago. It’s a win-now move — with an overpay in trade — rather than a rebuild, a bad trade of Lillard, and not a lot for Nurkic. This is NOT getting a Lillard for Miami’s comparative poo-poo platter. The return should be a Grant-level player.
That is basically what he is saying lol. Anything he posts is to try and protect Cronin. If we take back shit, well Cronin had no choice he will say. if Cronin gets a decent or even great value out of a Dame trade, he will prasie Cronin to the high moon. He is trying to paint a picture where Cronin is not at at fault for whatever happens with a Dame trade. he is the Aaron Fentress of this forum going to bat for Cronin at every swing like Fentress is doing on Twitter with his Dame thoughts
It isn’t about want. It’s about logic. It’s pragmatism. I WANT what’s best for the team. I WANT to see the team win a championship. We SHOULD have traded him two years ago when the rumors first started that he wanted out. Your caliber of fan is so weird. You act like Dame is a personal friend or family. I care about him as far as he can take this team, and when it’s time to move on, it’s time to move on. Players are assets. At some point it makes sense to exchange one asset for other assets that fit the team better.
At some point, the deal is the deal and it’s in the best interest of the team to extract any value out of Dame. He’s 33. We have a stud point guard who needs minutes. Waiting is fine, but keeping Dame too long would be detrimental to the future of the team.
Trade him two years ago in his prime for what...... young players who could very well want out when they reach their prime in Portland? Seems risky. If any player was worth gambling on it was Dame. The Blazer FO did not end up doing a good job building around him, but they would have gotten crucified for trading Dame 2 years ago, especially if he had gone on to win a championship somewhere else. And I mean really blasted by their fans....as in fuck you and your ticket prices....we are not going to the games anymore. Then you risk losing the franchise. I get that I am embellishing here but still, you can't be that team who trades their star every time there are rumors they are unhappy.
Keeping Lillard too long is how long? Because I do agree that if Simons isn’t traded along with picks for a veteran forward who can reasonably nudge the Blazers to the top 4-5 in the West (aka, having a shot … contending) … then, yes, trading Lillard is the answer. But, again, what is the minimum return given that Herro isn’t getting a player back for Portland who fits or it would already be done … and Sharpe is the future and prohibitive favorite at SG and Ant is a Blazer. A Miami trade with Lowry — who is USELESS except as KLEC for Portland given Scoot, Ant, Sharpe — plus 2 unproven mid-1st rounders and (likely) non-lottery picks and swaps that may never happen … Just not seeing it EVEN acknowledging that the deal is the deal — just not with Miami! Lillard was injured 2 years ago and had been playing injured for some time. While the need for eventual surgery wouldn’t have nixed a trade 2 years ago, it does delay full health AND his getting a MAX contract, regardless, from another team which does make a big return on him more difficult. In fairness, recent BIG name trades like Durant and Beal and the Knicks getting their PG … have made the market smaller for Lillard than 2 years ago.
That was my initial thought seeing that as well on that report. I didn’t think Herro would command so little. My hope still remains Brooklyn to win out. Probably the most win-win situation, considering they were second on his list and they also have a treasure chest of picks. I don’t think Dame gets traded until we get into the season, and I think the Nets are a team that will want to see what this roster can do before they give up 3-4 1sts for Dame. There is going to be a battle in the East this season, and an inevitable Dame-trade to the East can and probably will have a seismic shift in the conference. It only takes one of MIA, BOS, BRK, PHI, NYK to get desperate.
LMAO. You THINK you know what is BEST for the team. And no, i don't. I don't care if he's traded or not at this point. But i bet you'd take forty cents on the dollar right now for him.
first line of the article: "The Heat don’t seem to be budging on what they’re willing to give up for Lillard, who was an All-NBA selection in the 2022-23 season." LOL...I think we have plenty of indications that Miami started off with a very low-ball offer, and it sounds like they haven't added to it I really think the Blazer F.O. is solidly in a 'Fuck Miami' mood right now; and unless Dame's agent publicly says that Dame is open to other destinations, I can not see this impasse ending any time soon. This season's trade deadline might be too soon if Dame's camp is in a Miami-or-bust stance in January
Miami is trying to get arguably a top 10 player for a slice of moldy meatloaf, but doesn't seem to get that without him (considering their roster changes) they're just barely above a play-in team. But yet they continue to insist their offer of a moldy slice of meatloaf is more than generous AND it's somehow Joe Cronin's fault that it's moldy, and hes an idiot for not taking the offer. Because remember, Pat Riley.
This time next year the Blazers will have a better outlook than the Heat. Miami bluffed. We called it. End of story
Of course..... this is a forum... we all THINK we know what's best for the team. Tossing around colloquialisms like "forty cents on the dollar" is meaningless. We don't know what the Heat have actually offered. We don't know what a "dollar trade" actually looks like for Dame. Here's what we DO know: He's 33 years old. He's a 6'3 point guard who doesn't play defense. He's due a massive contract over the next few years. He plays one of the most saturated positions in the league right now. He has requested a trade to only one team. He and his agent have communicated to other teams that he wouldn't want to play anywhere other than Miami. All of the things that I just mentioned can hurt his value. At some point, it's better to extract SOME value out of him instead of getting nothing. Dame is an asset with a finite amount of time that he can still play at a high level, and thus can only offer so many assets in return. Those assets that you can get in trade will only diminish as he continues to age.
I had you wrong when I judged you awhile back. You’re a good poster. But I take your facts with a grain of salt. and ain’t no way I’m reading all of that.
