Again. Both was initial offer. And it was to little. Whoever made this "small update" can go f himself. No Wonder Cronin doesn't want to even look at that direction. They trying psychological tricks learned from VHS tapes.
It couldn't be that Miami doesn't even have a fair package to give and are still low balling us with an offer that is half what Dame should be worth, since the guy is a top 75 all time player coming off the best season of his career... nah. The fact is if the Heat make the necessary move to get their 2024 FRP, if they put that pick with their 2028 and 2030 FRPs, along with Jovic and Jaquez, and can find a team willing to give a first rounder even with some protections but very likely to convey. Then they could actually have whatever players Herro would bring back and just send us Lowry's expiring contract. I want them to take Nurk but they probably wouldn't have to in order to get the deal done. Something like this (Orlando is said to be one of the teams high on Herro):
I can see why some of you prefer as many draft picks as possible, but I am hoping that the return on Herro is better than Kyle/Goga. I would be willing to give up 2 of those 4 picks in order to entice a 3rd team to give us someone better.
I don't share that view to start with, Portland is not going to get a player 'better' than Herro from a Herro trade. They might get a little better fit, but the talent is just not going to be good. And by that I mean that players like Herro, or Ant, or Powell, or RoCo, or Aminu, are simply not good enough to alter the trajectory of a team. They are just role players and Portland has spent the last 11 years (and longer) proving that coveting role players is mostly pointless I'd rather Portland roll the dice on a future draft pick than go for a role player that might be available for a Herro trade. There will be one available in any event, to match salary, hopefully on an expiring contract
I truly believe you cannot create value when there is none. This talk of finding a third team for Tyler Herro so Dame can end up in Miami is like Joe telling Pat, fleece somebody else for us
Herro is worth a decent first. He's getting underrated by most right now. People point to the Poole salary dump to say otherwise, but on court value was only a part of that decision.
Yes, we should want both. This one or other is their tactic so they can keep one. Jaquez Jovic Martin Herro (1 FRP) 3 FRPs 3 swaps No Duncan Robinson
Can Herro get us someone better if there are other assets included? I agree that by himself he can not which is why I say if the right player is available then give up some of those draft picks coming from Miami....... to sweeten the pot. I agree I don't want someone like Powell or RoCo either, but there are a couple of names who I would not mind.....(i.e Allen)
Why? You're going to have to pay him after the season. If it's another mid season with little pops of light, you're going to end up overpaying a guy you're not sure about. That seems like a fast path back to where we were with Olshey, tbh. I'm not saying Jovic and Jaquez are great (I'd rather have add'l picks or alternative players) but we know so much more about what Wiseman is at this point.
If we do ultimately accept a Heat trade, and it's less than this, Joe did not do his job. But I'd try to trade Martin somewhere else as well.
I’ve got to wonder if Riley, after hearing Butler saying the other day that he wants an extension bigger than Brown got, is going to break out his calculator and go “hmmm”.
Let them keep Martin, we won't get much value for him in a trade. He is a system player and I think most teams know that. I would probably ask for him and then ask for something else when they balk at including him.
Disagree. Martin has value & Portland needs to take as much as possible. Ideally, he'd be routed to another team though.
