OT Miami Heat fan gets kicked out after calling Russell Westbrook ‘boy’

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If you live outside of the United States, why would the perspective of the people you live around be relevant to a race-related issue inside the United States? Isn't it a completely different culture?
     
  2. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Again, if "there" is not in the US, and isn't steeped in the same history of race relations as in the US, then can it really be a valid basis for comparison?
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Go up to Dame next time you see him and call him “BOY”…. I can tell you exactly how that would end.
     
  4. sheed30

    sheed30 Well-Known Member

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    What? Racism is racism. A black person should get offended to that inside and outside the US right? Or only inside the US is what you’re saying? What lol

    How about the black friends I asked live in Portland AND California, they ain’t living out the US.

    at the end of the day if this guy was so racist then why would he spend lots of money to get good seats that is a league of 90% black players.

    10-15 years ago in our society this would have been nothing.

    you can have your opinion and others can have there.
     
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    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    where exactly do you live?
     
  6. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Call the next black man “BOY” here and let us know how it goes my guy….then you’ll know.

    A strange battle you are fighting…….
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    In a brief unanimous opinion, the United States Supreme Court ruled on February 21, 2006 in Ash v. Tyson Foods, Inc. that the word "boy" without any words modifying it, can be a racial epithet depending on the context, inflection, tone of voice, local custom, and historical usage.

    The case arose when two African-American superintendents at a poultry plant operated by Tyson Foods sought promotions to shift manager, but two white males were selected instead. The Tyson plant manager who made the disputed promotion decisions had referred on some occasions to each of the two African-American superintendents as "boy." When the case went to trial before a jury in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Alabama, the jury found race discrimination and awarded compensatory and punitive damages. Ruling upon a post-trial motion by Tyson, the District Court ordered a new trial. On appeal, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit found sufficient evidence to support a verdict in favor of one of the two plaintiffs, but not the other, and further held that the evidence did not support the amount of compensatory damages awarded by the jury or the award of punitive damages. As part of its ruling, the Eleventh Circuit held that the use of the word "boy" alone, without any modifier such as "black" or "white," is not evidence of discrimination. In doing so it relied on two cases from the Eighth Circuit, and another case from the Eleventh Circuit holding the mere use of the word "boy" was not evidence of pretext.

    The Supreme Court disagreed, holding that while the word "boy" is not always evidence of racial animus, "it does not follow that the term, standing alone, is always benign." "The speaker's meaning may depend on various factors including context, inflection, tone of voice, local custom, and historical usage." The Court ruled that requiring modifiers or qualifications in all instances to make the word "boy" evidence of bias was error.

    The Court also criticized the Eleventh Circuit on another aspect of its ruling. The Eleventh Circuit ruled, "[p]retext can be established through comparing qualifications only when 'the disparity in qualifications is so apparent as virtually to jump off the page and slap you in the face.'" The Supreme Court declined to define the standard for the disparity in qualifications required to prove pretext, but held that the Eleventh Circuit's "jump off the page" standard was "unhelpful and imprecise." The Court mentioned with apparent approval three standards used in other cases: (1) where disparities in qualifications are of such weight and significance that no reasonable person, in the exercise of impartial judgment, could have chosen the candidate selected over the plaintiff for the job in question; (2) where the plaintiff's qualifications are "clearly superior" to those of the selected job applicant; and (3) where a reasonable employer would have found the plaintiff to be significantly better qualified for the job.

    The opinion in Ash v. Tyson Foods, Inc. is not a surprise, but a useful reminder to employers that insensitive remarks by decision makers may be powerful evidence of discrimination. Where the remarks are by a decision maker, in a context that connects them to the decision itself, and the context of the remarks gives them a discriminatory meaning, they are unlikely to be disregarded as "stray remarks." Neither the Supreme Court's opinion nor that of the Eleventh Circuit provides a detailed context for the remarks.

    The Ash case may be used in the future to narrow the "stray remarks" doctrine. That doctrine holds that stray remarks, even by a decision maker, unconnected to the decision, are not evidence of discrimination. Under the stray remarks doctrine, for example, a reference to older workers as "old boys" has been held insufficient to prove pretext in an age discrimination case. Similarly, the U.S. Supreme Court itself held in Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins, 490 U.S. 228, 251 (1988), "Remarks at work that are based on sex stereotypes do not inevitably prove that gender played a part in a particular employment decision. The plaintiff must show that the employer actually relied on her gender in making its decision." The stray remarks doctrine was relied on in several gender discrimination cases where the word "bitch" has been found not to be evidence of discriminatory intent.

    The case is a reminder of the perils of the subtleties of language. By its dictionary meaning, the word "boy" in most contexts is not discriminatory, or even insulting. In the context of use by a white manager about an African-American subordinate, in the South, the word may become an epithet, and was evidently understood that way by the jury in Ash with little difficulty. Similar difficulties arise in sexual harassment cases with the ordinarily innocent words "baby" and "mama." Context is everything.

    https://www.littler.com/publication...xt-counts-word-boy-may-be-racial-epithet-work
     
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    Nice find Sly…..but if somebody needs to read a story about how bad that word is towards others, they’re a lost cause.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    I have NO place in my life for people that ignorant.
     
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    It’s not a strange battle and I already said from the start racism is messed up people do cross the line at times but in this case I think it’s WestBrook being sensitive point blank.

    my guy you can’t even discuss some of the things I have brought up and counter them back and respectfully responding with a question.

    you can say that guy deserved to get kicked out and I’m saying WestBrook was sensitive. What is wrong with that? Go look at Twitter man, many share the same view as me and many claim they are black as well yet you call it a strange battle I am fighting lol
     
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    wtf is this crap. Don’t get all sensitive here my guy lmao
     
  12. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Oh people on Twitter say it’s ok…… well, then I stand corrected.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    So this is about Russell Westbrook and not racist comments then?
     
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    How is your opinion on here above others on Twitter?

    Get off the high horse bro. I have dated black girls, I have lots of black friends, I have dealt with racism here in Trinidad where I live being white in a population that is 95% black.

    You have no clue bro lol.
     
  15. THE HCP

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    You are saying it’s OK to call a black man “BOY”…… i simply am saying that the people in my life would find that very offensive. You come back with that it’s ok in whatever 3rd world country you live in. Nobody is talking about where you live…..HERE you don’t do that.

    I also said if you feel you are so right…..please call a black man “BOY” here and see where it get’s you. Please call Dame that if you see him out and about and see how that works out.

    If it’s so OK to do, that shouldn’t be a problem.
     
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    sheed30 Well-Known Member

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    Stop answering question with a question, people who do that aren’t even worth discussing
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    I was waiting for the “I have black friends” post. Didn’t take long.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Me informing you that black men would find being called “BOY” by a white man offensive is me being on a “HIGH HORSE”?
     
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    Ok you’re just straight ignorant yourself at this point. Have a good one man
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Next time you are in Portland holler at me…… we can have a BBQ at my house and try a little experiment. We’ll stream it.

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