Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexually'

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    No one, but laws should exist that limit parental power. For example, we don't allow parents to prosecute other high schoolers for looking at their kid funny, even if the parents think it's in the child's best interests. So the question is whether, as an example, an 18 year old and a 17 year old having consensual sex is considered a "harm" by society. If it's not, it shouldn't be prosecutable, by parents or anyone else.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Absolutely no one other than the parents. Perhaps with some significant input from the grandparents.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    You error sir. The ability to consent is not acquired until the age of 18.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Yes, I'm sure 17 year olds and 18 year olds are massively different in their ability to understand the world and make decisions. A light switch goes on during your 18th birthday...science! We don't want 18 year olds preying on their 17 year old boyfriends/girlfriends, even if they were the same age when they started dating.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Parents see the kids every day and can tell if you're right.

    The law is a tool to allow prosecutors to convict the bad guys and protect young women from rapists.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Yes and non-consensual sex is criminal at any age, so we're covered for rape.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    The sort of rape trials that involve adult women are a terrible experience for the woman. You want to put girls through that?

    The beauty of the consent laws is that they don't have to prove force was involved.

    I'm sure you don't know better.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Ruining lives by prosecuting rape when it was consensual are also terrible experiences. I'd rather not give parents, who can be irrational just like all other humans, that sort of extra discretion to ignore the need to prove non-consent.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    I just don't see myself ever raping a statue. And even if I did I'm positive it would be an adult statue. It might not have any arms but that is as far as my kinkiness would go.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Someone has to have the discretion, and giving it to the state is the worst possible way to handle it. The state WILL arbitrarily prosecute, while parents might know their kids are not engaging in rape.

    But you know best.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    How will the state prosecute if it's not illegal?

    Unless you mean in the case of the girl alleging force, in which case you're saying parents might not have prosecuted? Doubtful. And even if so, it should be prosecuted if one party alleges force.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    If it's not illegal, then there's nothing to stop 45 year old men from raping 12 year olds.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Your math is off if you think 45 years old and 12 years old is one year apart.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    You realize few states prosecute a difference of one year. Yet it still is a tool for prosecutors to get the actual bad guys.

    No matter how you try to weasel your way out of it, the law protects young women and girls from rapists.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    It's the discretion to make irrational (or simply discriminatory) choices on who to prosecute that's the problem.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    That's why you leave it in the hands of the parents. They know the children involved. The prosecutors do not.

    The prosecutors do have the discretion to NOT prosecute when it gets down to it.

    What I don't want to see is the cops arresting kids parked in a car somewhere and prosecuting them on their own. Doesn't matter if the kids are 1 year apart or 4 or 6. The parents know the relationship much better than any third party.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    That assumes parents are above being irrational and discriminatory. As they are humans, just like prosecutors, they aren't above that.

    I don't want to see that either. I don't think anyone should have the power to prosecute unless a crime is alleged. Consensual sex between two people within a year or so in their ages shouldn't be a crime.

    And if force is alleged, it should be prosecuted, whether or not the parents want it prosecuted.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    The parents who aren't rational will not have their cases prosecuted.

    If the girl says no, and the boy says "she said yes" then what?

    It's rape. The law AS-IS solves it.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Then it's non-consensual which we both agree should be prosecuted.
     
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