Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexually'

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Well you are not going to like my answer . . . the gov't.

    It has been determined through our system (and I speak only of Oregon) that it is not in the best interest of a child to be having sex with someone 3 years older than the child.

    There are likely going to be exceptions to this and one would hope that a prosecutor would meet with detectives specially assigned to these cases, doctors and parents to decide when those exceptions occur and make the judgement call not to prosecute in those situations.

    But in general, laws that are created basically tell society what they can and cannot do. I would rather the discretion of enforcing the laws be put in the hands of educated people who swear to uphold the law and put well thought out policies in place rather than each individual parents who could be basing their decisions on a plethora of factors.

    In practice, good responsible parents are almost always working in conjunction and agreement with the district attorney (which is an elected position). And really many of these cases prosecuted are kids that come from bad backgrounds and are the most easy to prey on.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    It's non consensual because the girl can't consent if she's under age.

    The age thing is there to protect her against the 45 year old predatory types.

    You're just so wrong on this. The law and judges and everyone else who knows anything about it has it right.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    In that case, there should be no problem making consensual sex between teens within a year of each other's age legal. 45 year olds will never be within one year of age of someone below age 18.

    Glad we agree.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Your argument is irrelevant. The child does not become able to consent until the age of 18. She needs permission from her parents to marry and the law rightfully says that it is unlawful for anyone to skip this step because
    she is not able to consent on her own. Now it is the same for boys but not so important. Consequences do not compare.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    If by "congruences" you mean, "almost exactly the same age and capacity for understanding the import of their actions," why don't they compare?
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    To play Devil's Advocate, a 17 year-old female doesn't have to get permission from her parents to get, say, an abortion.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Go figure.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    You don't agree, though. You just fight the wrong side like barfo ;)
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    fify
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    What does "it is a defense" mean:
    1) Prosecutors will never prosecute it, or
    2) During the trial, evidence will be allowed that the age difference was under 3 years. This may or may not sway the jury.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    No, we agree that age of consent laws are meant to prevent 45 year olds from preying on persons below the age of 18, so there's no harm in excepting couples who are within a year of each other's ages from the concept of statutory rape (non-statutory rape--i.e. non-consensual sex--would carry no exceptions).

    Glad we could come together in the end.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    I think you keep saying we agree when I clearly don't is bullshit.

    They do except couples within 1-3 years in age in all but a few states.

    But you failed to argue or convince me that there's anything wrong with the laws as written.

    The only thing anyone's said in this whole thread is crandc pointing out that the laws have been made different for male victims than for females or different for gay participants than for straight ones. That I agree with her is wrong.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    They have the discretion to except such couples. However, it should always be an exception. We agree because you said (and I agree) that age of consent laws aren't meant to nail an 18/17 year old couple having consensual sex, they're meant to nail 45 year olds having sex (consensual or not) with personages under the age of 18, where there is very plausibly a significant experience/understanding divide.

    You're saying the same thing I am, but you seem to think there's a conflict.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Denny just likes to argue. You're the new Barfo.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Denny and I go back almost a decade. Can you imagine, that's how long he's been wrong about stuff!
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Do you have a link for either Statement 1 or 2? In most states, you say? I've never read either until this thread. Maybe in a few states the law makes exceptions, but most?
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Unless anybody involved in this thread is 15-19 years old, I don't see why it's continuing. As it is, it's a bunch of 30ish-50ish dudes (or women) arguing about whether or not a 17 year-old can diddle a 14 year-old legally. It affects very few here, except those of us with kids entering their tween years or teen years.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Whenever a thread on this issue appears, SlyPokerDog becomes offended that any part of law could possibly be debatable. The definition of a fascist is a person who can't separate his conscience, his mental system of morality, from the legal system's rules.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    I'm 17 years old, not that it should matter.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    In threads about this subject, SlyPokerDog is always full of contempt for everyone who debates this law.
     
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