Miles Trade Rumors

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  1. notmuchgame

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting redscoon:</div><div class="quote_post">Kapono doesn't see the court much because he has so much trouble matching up on the defensive end. He hustles, but he doesn't have the quickness to be very effective.</div>

    Can you believe that 4 years at UCLA and I never saw Kapono DUNK ONCE!! For any of you guys, if he ever gets a dunk for the cavs please PM me a pic [​IMG]
     
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    That's a shame. Will this kid ever have the spotlight to promote himself. One of the most with out a doubt atheltic players on the Cavaliers, but I still would lean to Eric, Ira, and Kedrick as better SF's. I think it would be best for him to leave Cleveland to find somewhere he can play as a dominant player.
     
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    Darius' confidence is just very low right now. With Williams, Newble and Brown now in the fold Miles needs a change of scenery. I don't see any way around it.

    Oh yeah, about that MoPete and 2nd rounder for Battie and Miles. Even the schiestiest used car salesman couldn't sell that one to the Cavs! MoPete has been just as dissapointing for the Raps, if not more. His stock is even lower than Darius' is right now.
     
  4. OgShowtime

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    Darius got off the bench for 29 minutes! Look at his numbers: 5-11 fg., 11 pts., 7 reb.. 5 ast., 1 blk.
    This is more like the Darius Miles of Clipperdom.
     
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    Miles was playing well before the benching.

    I refuse to say it was his terrible play that got him 4 DNP's. If someone deserves that, it is J.R. Bremer for his play.

    Something took place behind closed doors, or trade talks have heated up, which one is it, we can only guess.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Miles was playing well before the benching.

    I refuse to say it was his terrible play that got him 4 DNP's. If someone deserves that, it is J.R. Bremer for his play.

    Something took place behind closed doors, or trade talks have heated up, which one is it, we can only guess.</div>

    king james,

    someone on the official cavs site had an idea of a D. Miles trade to kings for B. Jackson to run the point for us and move lebron to his more natural position of the 2 spot. what do u think of this idea?
     
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    Bobby Jackson holds a lot of value, believe that, he is an impact player, fearless. He is the type of player the Cavs need, I don't see the Kings parting with him though. I do however think that Miles fits in with the Kings run and gun style of play, it would just take much more than him to get Jackson over here.

    OK, let's stop the dreaming, lol.
     
  8. OgShowtime

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    Yes, I think Sacramento would surely demand more than Miles alone. Darius would fit in well with the Kings, but with Stojakovic and Wallace already at the SF spot he would have to play out of position. Unless of course, the deal was expanded to include Wallace, but I doubt any of this would happen. In my opinion, he could benefit from a change of scenery. But he could also thrive in the Cavs style of offense. If I was making the decisions on personnel for Cleveland, I would keep Darius around a little longer to see if he can regain his confidence and expand his game a bit more. Besides, he just turned 22 years old. Giving up on him may turn out to be a major mistake.
     
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    Yeah that's what is hard to understand OgShowtime, lot's of people really get on Miles, but he is only 22 like you said. He does have his moments where he does take over a ball game and score at will, along with making that spectacular play (Like that huge massive facial dunk on Brunson last night)

    I would not have a problem with holding onto him for another 2 years if you ask me, just depends on what we get in return.
     
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    Miles is young no doubt,but the knock I have on the kid is the fact that since his debut in the L he hasn't progressed..his game has steadily regressed. Now I take into consideration that he is still young,but in my opinion he has either gotten lazy in practice or his ceiling isn't as high as originally predicted.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Black Widow:</div><div class="quote_post">Miles is young no doubt,but the knock I have on the kid is the fact that since his debut in the L he hasn't progressed..his game has steadily regressed. Now I take into consideration that he is still young,but in my opinion he has either gotten lazy in practice or his ceiling isn't as high as originally predicted.</div>

    That's what makes this such a catch-22 for the Cavs. If a player does not produce consistently, you obviously must decrease that player's time on the floor. But, when you have such a young, talented individual who begins to lose his confidence because of that lack of playing time, the situation can get frustrating. I think Darius needs to continue to work on some aspects of his game, shooting being the main component he so sorely lacks. But, unless he knows he's going to be in the lineup night in and night out, he may never be able to reach his full potential. If the Cavs are not willing to do this, I think he may have to be moved to a team that can give him that opportunity.

    When he was in LA, he was getting consistent minutes almost every night, which was allowing him to gain confidence, as well as raise the level of his game. He even had a couple of triple-dubs in his last season with the Clippers. Since coming to Cleveland, dealing with the injury problems and ultimately becoming a bench player, his confidence is at an all-time low. The only way to find out if he's willing to put forth the effort to improve is to give him playing time. The Cavs probably aren't going to the playoffs this season, and Eric Williams' 12 points and 4 boards per game are not so big that he can't be replaced by Miles in the starting lineup. Get him in there for 25-30 minutes per night for the remainder of the season, see if he continues to produce. If he does, everything is cool. If not, maybe it's better for both parties that he moves on.
     
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    I don't think Silas wants to admit that the Cavs won't make the playoffs, since they still have an outside shot at it.

    I think that that's why Miles(and Kapono) won't quite see the minutes that they require to become better equipped to play in the L.

    Miles has the physical tools to be a star in the league. The prospect of him truly developing is what is really tantalyzing to GM's around the league. That aspect of Miles is very attractive.

    What is not attractive are the rumors of Miles' attitude. Not that he's Ricky Davis-like, which hurts everyone in the locker room. But he hurts himself and his own development. Rumor is that he's lazy, and refuses to work hard. That notion turns coaches off, especially one like Paul Silas who is all about hard-nosed play.

    Darius could develope, and at 21 he still has time to change his ways. But from the way he conditions himself and works on his game, I'm willing to bet he'll have a couple of breakout seasons, but no more than 4 or 5, perhaps even over 20 ppg, and then slump back down into the stat levels he's averaging now. Worth it for a young team that wants some production, but not worth it for building a team around.
     
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    At this point, he isn't doing himself any favors if he's bringing a lackadaisical attitude to the table. Silas indeed will not stand for it. But, there's still something to be said for Darius getting his fair amount of time. If he truly doesn't deserve it according to Silas, then I guess there's not much that can be done. But, if they wish to appraise Darius for his true value, they'll have no other choice than to put him on the court when he's healthy.

    If his attitude has been that poor, I would assume they're actively shopping him. In which case, I believe it to be necessary that the Cavs give him consistent minutes in order to showcase his true talent to prospective suitors. As it stands, his value is as rock-bottom as it ever has been. Giving him at least a couple of weeks to prove himself couldn't possibly hurt the team from either perspective. Darius will either continue to struggle, or he will lift his game to another level, re-establishing a stronger market value. Letting him collect dust is not going to do either party any good.
     
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    I don't think D-miles will get traded this season, not because of his game, because that isn't good, but because he's LeBron's best friend at the team now, and they want LeBron to feel great here all the time in his rookie season!
    Or what you guys think?
    Go Cavs!
     
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    When he first came, he was young but already powerful and great on the boards along with Stromile Swift. They had a similiar playing style and are on young teams with great potential. However as time went by Miles became better then Swift, this came from experience and maturity. It'd be a shame to get rid of him, he's a big reason for any Cavs wins and the fact that he's LeBron's buddy.
     
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    Darius Miles

    Im a big Dmiles fan and i like him ever since he played for LA and i think the cavs should not even think of tryin to trade him with Z in a so called package to bring in an allstar player. I think Dmiles is gonna be one of the best jus wait and watch. I think he deserves more minutes too( newble took his spot on the startin five).+ wait until Dajuan is back he's gonna average 15+ points a game im willin to bet. with LeBron, Dajuan, Miles, Boozer, and Z the cavs will be awesome!!+ anybody know a good DMiles site?? with his high school stuff included like stats and highlights in all...?????
     
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    Thats the problem, the Cavs are tired of watching and waiting. Two weeks ago he was as good as gone, but he has contributed nicely since his benchings. If he keeps up his good play he may stick around, but if he lapses back, he and Z should probably look into renting an apartment together.
     
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    Darius Miles should have gone to college.

    All the tools are still there, he is barely 22 years old so the upside is still there. One knock on Miles is obviously his jump shot. Howver, that is just the easy kill because many players many players are successful in the League without a decent jumper. Jason Kidd was an all-star for years without a reliable J. The problem is that Darius doesn't lay it all on the line. If he went out and busted his ass on rebounding and defense and he would be a very useful player right now and the offense could come later.

    He needs to start playing hard every minute of the game, listen to his coach and work within cleveland's system. He can worry about the J over the summer, but if he doesn't play and work and practice hard even the sweetest of strokes will not earn him minutes (just ask Terry Mills).
     
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    Yea, i agree i dont think DMiles is givin it his all right now, and thats the reason he got benched, if he does give it his all and get like 5 more min a game, im sure hell be 15+ppg,6 or 7 rpg and like3 or 4 ppg. but then again its just my predictions
     
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    I heard the Raptors are seriouly interested in Z and D Miles. Did you hear this. They've been looking for a center for a while and Z would fit good. I heard the Cavs would get Morris Peterson, Milt Palcio, and Jerome Mosio in the trade. What do you think?
     

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