Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I suppose a wildlife refuge would have been turned into a cattle ranch.

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  2. DaLincolnJones

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    I appreciate your honesty, Too bad you wont take a look at the guy, he has a tremendous library on line a fairly strong following and is very informed on many topics.
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    I suppose the protesters would have gotten bored and gone home.
     
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    Stick with the Militia take. It's more popular.
     
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    And the FBI wouldn't have murdered anyone.
    (forgot to add that)
     
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    yeah..those crazy red necks with their guns...fit the narrative better than Ranchers protesting over reach of the government and abuse of power..demanding a review under their constitutional rights.
     
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    Isn't that what the courts are for? I didn't know we could just invade government offices when we believe our rights have been violated.
     
  8. barfo

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    Murdered, huh?

    Using that crystal ball of yours, are you?

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    well, long story short, this began as an over reach in charging two land owning ranchers under terrorist laws. The first court gave them relatively light sentences, three months for one and one year and a day for the other.


    The real issue began when the Feds stepped in to over ride sentencing and charged them as terrorists five years each.
     
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    Hammond arson case
    Early conflicts with federal land managers
    In 1994, Dwight Hammond and his son Steve obstructed the construction of a fence to delineate the boundary between the two parcels of property, prompting their arrest by federal agents. According to federal officials, construction of the fence was needed to stop the Hammond cattle from moving along a cattle trail that intersected public land after the Hammonds had repeatedly violated the terms of their permit, which limited when they could move their cows across refuge property.[41] Officials also reported Hammond had made threats against them in 1986 and 1988, including telling one public lands manager that he was going to "tear off his head and shit down his neck". They also contended that Steve Hammond had called them "assholes".[44] Following their release from jail on recognizance, a rally attended by 500 other cattle ranchers was held in support of the Hammonds in Burns, and then-congressman Robert Freeman Smith wrote a letter of protest to the United States Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt.[41]

    In 1995, voters, angry that it had not intervened on the Hammonds' behalf, attempted to recall two members of the Harney County Court,[44] though the recall attempt failed. Charges against the Hammonds were later dropped.[40]

    In 1999, Steve Hammond started a fire with the intent of burning off juniper trees and sagebrush, but the fire escaped onto BLM land. The agency reminded Hammond of the required burn permit and that if the fires continued, there would be legal consequences.[45]

    Fires for which the Hammonds were convicted
    Both Dwight and Steve Hammond later set two fires, one in 2001 and one in 2006, that would lead to convictions of arson on federal land:[46][47]

    • The 2001 Hardie-Hammond fire began, according to Probation Officer Robb, when hunters in the area witnessed the Hammonds illegally slaughter a herd of deer.[48] Less than two hours later, a fire erupted and forced the hunters to leave the area, allegedly also to conceal evidence of the illegal killing of the deer.[49] Later, Steve's nephew Dusty Hammond testified that his uncle told him to start lighting matches and "light the whole countryside on fire." Dusty also testified that he was "almost burned up in the fire" and had to flee for his life.[45][50] The Hammonds have claimed they started the fire to stop invasive plants from growing onto their grazing fields.[51]
    • The 2006 Krumbo Butte fire started out as a wildfire, but several illegal backburns were set by the Hammonds with the intent to protect their winter feed. The backfires were set under the cover of night without warning the firefighting camp that was known to be on the slopes above.[49][52] According to the indictment, the fires threatened to trap four BLM firefighters, one of whom later confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene after he had moved his crews to avoid the threat.[49][50] Two days later, according to federal prosecutors, Steve Hammond threatened to frame a BLM employee with arson if he didn't stop the investigation.[51]
    Mid trial pre-sentencing agreement
    In 2012, the Hammonds were tried in federal district court on multiple charges. During a break in jury deliberations, partial verdict were rendered finding the Hammonds not guilty on two of the charges, but convicting them on two counts of arson on federal land.[49] Striking a plea bargain, in order to have the four remaining charges dismissed and for sentences on the two convictions to run concurrently, the Hammonds waived their rights to appeal their convictions. This was with their knowledge that the trial would proceed to sentencing where the prosecution intended to seek imposition of the mandatory five-year minimum sentences.[49][53]

    Sentencing hearing, appeals of the sentence, and re-sentencing
    At sentencing, the federal prosecutors requested the five-year mandatory minimum under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (AEDPA).[52][54][55] U.S. District Judge Michael Robert Hogan independently decided that sentences of that length "would shock the conscience" and would violate the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. On his last day on the bench, October 31, 2012, Hogan instead sentenced Dwight Hammond to three months' imprisonment and Steve Hammond to a year and a day's imprisonment, which both men served.[56][57] In what was described by one source as a "rare" action,[58] U.S. Attorney Amanda Marshall successfully appealed the sentence to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which upheld the mandatory-minimum law, writing that "given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense." The court vacated the original sentence and remanded for re-sentencing. The Hammonds filed petitions for certiorari with the Supreme Court, which the court rejected in March 2015.[54] In October 2015, Chief Judge Ann Aiken re-sentenced the pair to five years in prison (with credit for time served), ordering that they return to prison on January 4, 2016.[54][57]

    Both of the Hammonds reported to prison in California on January 4 as ordered by the court.[59] A few days earlier, the Hammonds also paid the federal government the remaining balance on a $400,000 court order for restitution related to the arson fires.[52]
     
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    It was premeditated, even.
     
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    It's not too late for you to join up, since you believe so passionately in their cause. They definitely need some new recruits.

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    Maybe you should join the FBI so you can kill them all.
     
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    They set fires on the BLM land that neighbors my acreage and I'll lobby for more than a 5 year sentence
     
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    Maybe you should join the fire department or department of forestry so you can be confronted by them as well.
     
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    They set fire on their own lands which border BLM lands.
     
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    They declared war on the FBI..just read the article. Someone declares war on the feds, they open themselves up for armed response although I think it would have been much better to take the guy alive. He put himself in harms way
     
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    That fire was illegally set and spread to the BLM land..they have a shady record of defying proper permits, cover ups and illegal poaching...they caused destruction without regard to the laws of the county. There's nothing legal or justified about what they did
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Too old, FBI won't take me. But yeah, if I was going to be on one side or the other in this fight, I'd prefer to be on the FBI's side.

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