Miller To Atlanta?

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  1. RR7

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    Bibby, Teague and a 1st for Miller.
     
  2. RR7

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    Or Marvin Williams and Teague and a 1st.
     
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    Hold out for a better trade for a player that we can actually predict will bring more value to the team?

    God damn, that means ZBO + clearing all that imaginary cap space for 2 years ended up being a late first round draft pick? Just gets shittier and shittier for that trade.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    And the New England Patriots got Tom Brady in the sixth round, therefore sixth round picks are where you build NFL champions. ;)

    There's a huge difference between it being possible to get a good/great player with a late first round pick and a late first round pick having a valuable expected yield.

    For example, you can win several million dollars with a lottery ticket. That doesn't make it a good investment. Saying "Look at all the lottery winners that have been reported! Lottery tickets are clearly valuable!" isn't all that compelling.

    If you want to show more methodologically that late first round picks tend to have a high yield, I'd be very interested in that. My own impression (I'm far too lazy to do a careful study) is that late first round picks have pretty low expected yield, even if some teams (rarely) hit the jackpot.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    wait, you're saying that Ric Bucher is likeable, respected, smart, funny and liked far more than the Blazers?
     
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    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    So are you saying you are ric bucher? :confused:
     
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    to espn/NBA analysts this is probably true.
     
  8. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    That's right. Sorry about that. He also said that in addition to the pick, Atlanta had the "right assets" for us.
     
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    This draft is top heavy. After the top-5 there's a pretty big drop off.

    Why Cho wants to trade for picks that are likely to be mid-late first rounders is beyond me, especially in this draft.
     
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    Does he though?
     
  11. BLAZER PROPHET

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    First round picks can be good trading chips.
     
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    Yeah! I believe you can trade a combo of 26, 27 & 28 picks for, oh, say a 14 or 15 pick.

    Yes, occasional gems show up late in the draft but I'd say that is probably less than 5%. Quality but not great, 15% or so. Serviceable role players 25%. Splinter-catchers, D-Leaguers and flunk-outs, 50%.

    There you go, my pull numbers from the air analysis of the probability of quality in late 1st round picks.

    I don't mind going for picks if the picks are decent, but a quality player for a later 1st pick? No thanks. I'm sure there is better.

    Gramps...
     
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    Sure, but his brain tells him every time he sees a L*ker he needs to toss their salad.
     
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    I don't agree, not for a mid-late first rounder. Sure history is littered with several examples of getting a good/great player late in the draft, but the odds aren't good. Our track record in the past few years picking exactly in this draft range isn't very good either.

    What is a good bet of happening, is our team taking a severe step backward without Miller. If there is anything to take away from this year, it's the building of confidence of our young guys -- Aldridge, Batum, Matthews -- and I don't think there's any question Miller makes the game easier for them and has fostered their development. They're playing the right way with Miller at helm and that's an investment I think will pay many more dividends than the remote chance a late first rounder becomes a player for us. Stay competitive for the sake of the young guys we already have. They'll learn and grow a lot more and faster.

    Also, this isn't a Melo situation. We don't have to trade Miller. Even re-sign him after next year if the point guard position is still unsettled.
     
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    A step back from ... where?

    This is a team that is slightly north of mediocre, and by the time the team is actually GOOD, Andre will be long gone.

    There's no rush to trade Miller, for sure, but getting assets for him seems like a good idea to me.

    Ed O.
     
  16. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I'd prefer to keep Miller through the end of the season - as long as we have a chance to make the play-offs. Which we do, especially with Camby and Roy coming back soon. I'd rather see our young players get some much needed play-off experience - even if they lose, than getting nothing more than a mid-20s pick from Atlanta for the only serviceable PG we have on the roster and giving up all hope of making the play-offs.

    It's both too early and too late to tank. Too early, because we still have a legitimate shot at making the play-offs, and to late, because even if we're in the lottery we'd likely be picking 12 or 13 in a weak, shallow draft. We're not "catching" Cleveland, Minnesota, Sacramento, Washington, or Toronto for one of the top lottery spots.

    BNM
     
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  17. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Why is Bucher posting to the Bleacher Report now? Why is he posting here?
     
  18. andalusian

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    If the news about Roy and Camby are right - I agree. If not - I think it would make sense to see if there is something to get there.
     

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