Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

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  1. MarAzul

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    You are clever at it Sly. I expect you can even understand more than you will admit.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    I will have a good day, and I hope the same for you. If you could actively try to be more empathetic to other people's situations, you wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking. You seem to compare other people's experiences to your own, assuming that everything is equal. Things are not equal. Look at life outside of your personal perspective maybe once in your life.
     
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    I don't think these cops like shooting black people or desire to shoot black people. There have been studies to show that white people often interpret body language and gestures differently when a black person does them as opposed to when a white person does it. If I were to venture a theory, it's that police (subconsciously) interpret behaviors that they'd view as innocuous if a white person did them as significantly more dangerous or threatening when they come from black people. Which leads to shooting deaths that look absurd in retrospect.
     
  4. MarAzul

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    Aw gee! Now you are going to rude. I don't want to do battle with you. But I would suggest your take on what I am speaking about is shallow.
    However, I still wish you a good day, further discussions with you would be pointless.
     
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    Here are the sats for this year so far for people killed by the police. This isn't just limited to traffic stops, but from all types of situations:

    509 people killed - 238 white, 123 black, 79 Hispanic, 46 unknown, 23 other.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-police-2016/

    Given that blacks account for around 13% of the US population is black and 77% is white, that's a significant disparity.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    I'll take that. I wasn't trying to be rude, I just find your perspective a bit lacking in depth. Your one incident with a cop is not the epitome of what that situation can entail. Open your mind up a little man. And I still wish you a great day. I don't think conversations would be pointless going forward.
     
  7. MarAzul

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    Perhaps you are partially correct. Let me ask you, is putting your hands on the wheel, sitting still, responding to questions when asked, and telling the cop what your going to do before you do it, acting too subservient?
     
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    I found this interesting, it's just not the numbers but if you scroll down it gives a synopsis of each shooting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
     
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    Probably, since most people don't have to do that whenever they're pulled over for minor offenses, like speeding or a tail light being out.

    When specifically black people need to do those things so as not to seem "threatening," that probably is asking black people to be subservient in a sense.
     
  10. MarAzul

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    I don't see it as being subservient, it is what I do, pretty much what Bodymans says he does. As I recall Bodyman is a very big dude, I am old nasty looking and about 240 pounds, I don't like to put cops on high alert is why I do it. I know as the years have slipped by, the cops have been more and more afraid when they make their stops. I see my appearance has them all little more on edge as I aged. I see them being more leery of me when I am in my crust pickup truck rather than the Suburban.

    Yes I have been stopped enough to see these things change over the years as more a more cops die each year. They are getting better but you don't want to frighten a cop. We best assume the position, even sons of former slaves and forget about subservience, just shut the fuck up and assume the position and live.

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    Oh if your packing, for shit sake, don't tell the cop your are packing if your stopped for a taillight!
    Save that for just before the pat down with hands way up.
     
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  11. bodyman5000 and 1

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    This, in Vegas they'll fuck you so fast even though they know you have insurance.
     
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    Since Marazul is ignoring this here is a little story of something very nice I witnessed a police officer do last year.

    I live near a neighborhood intersection that the street going north/south have stop signs and the street going east/west doesn't have any stop signs. One night I hear a loud crash. A car going north ran the stop sign and a car going east t-boned it. The car that got t-boned was fucked up. The driver hurt, the car crushed. The lady that hit the car was shaken up but not hurt. Anyway, I ran out there, called 911, helped the lady out of the car and left the person who was inured unmoved in the car until police and fire got there.

    Both cars towed, injured driver was cut from the car and taken to the hospital by ambulance, uninjured lady sitting on my lawn talking to police and waiting for her husband to arrive to take her home. In speaking with the officer the lady realized that she didn't have the insurance information of the person she hit (remember, the accident wasn't her fault, he ran the stop sign) anyway, the officer went to his car, entered the license plate number of the car who was at fault and was able to print out the insurance info on a piece of thermal paper and gave it to the lady so she could file an accident claim with her insurance company. The officer did this from the information on his computer, not from the insurance information in the car because the car was too crushed to remove it from.

    Anyway Marazul, you are a law abiding tax paying citizen. Couldn't the officer in your case just have easily printed out proof of insurance for you, handed it to you since you couldn't find your copy, given you a warning about the tail light and sent you on your way?

    Instead the officer wrote you two tickets, one was pretty much BS. You were able to go to court but many people can't take the time off of work and just mail in the fine or if they can't pay and ignore it. The police are writing tickets to fill quotas and coffers. In other communities the police are spending more time writing petty tickets then they are solving and preventing crimes. That's bad policing, you were a victim of it and didn't even know it.
     
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    I'm not afraid of them one on one no weapons. The Henderson police are generally big white guys on roids. Either way, a good old fight wouldn't kill anyone. The thing is, they have guns.

    There is a video of a female Vegas cop shooting a guy face down on the ground here years ago. It was accidental, I don't want to risk the accident.

    A Mexican kid I worked with drove a big blacked out Nissan Titan pickup with no front bumper. I asked him how often he got pulled over in it. His answer was all the time.

    I said "duh dummy"

    It is his right to drive a weird looking piece of junk that stands out among normal cars, just don't be surprised when it attracts cops. I'm making the same argument here as libs do when some yahoo makes racist facebook posts and gets fired from his job. It's your right, but that doesn't mean nobody will fuck with you.
     
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    In the stop I am speaking of, I don't think this is the way it went. She stopped me for not having the seat belt on. When she got to the truck she was surprise to find I had the thing on. She asked if I had just put it on. I sort of looked at her like she was daft, but I don't hear well and was quite sure what she asked. Then she went for the insurance shit. Then she went back to her car and fucked around for 20 minutes trying to get her computer stuff down. She was a grossly incompetent rookie. She folded in court, the judge asked me if she dismissed the case would that be enough? Maybe the judge thought I was too loud, I some time get it up because I don't hear well, the result of close encounter underwater with a 155 round.


    Now Sly, I want you to answer straight out the normal side of your mouth. What's up with this snark you bring? Proud?
     
  16. MarAzul

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    I hear you sir, loud and clear. Spot on to.
     
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    The policing was bad, see my other post. but there is bad law here too. You can no longer prove you have insurance later, like take it to the Sheriffs office.
    You must go to court to prove you have the insurance, if you have insurance.
     
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    even not so crazy.
     
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    Your posts are filled with lots of snark too my friend. You used this stop as an example of how to act. No where in your original account did you say the officer was "Grossly Incompetent."

    BLM is asking for more accountability for police and better training. You disagree with this yet an officer pulled you over for no seat belt when you were wearing one and again, according to you was "grossly incompetent." Wouldn't more accountability and better training help with this?

    The whole no seat belt thing seems pretty subjective to me. Police can pull over anyone at anytime for thinking someone doesn't have a seat belt on. Again, is that good policing or is that filling quotas and coffers? Do you really think she decided to focus on that on her own or did she learn that from training with other officers?

    Now suppose you were pulled over for no seat belt 3, 4 or 5 times a year? Every time you were pulled over you were ticketed? Sure, you might get them dismissed but that's harassment. The man this thread was about was pulled over 52 times. Half were dismissed in court. No felonies. So the police in that community only got it right half the time at best and with all of that effort really did nothing to make the community safer. If this man before he was killed had complained do you honestly think anything would have changed? We're white, we don't really have to go through this but black people say they are and there are statistics that back that up.
     
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    >>> I doubt it. see below.

    >>> Not the problem.

    >>> Spot on Sly. The seat belt thing is a funding from the Federal Goverment to make seat belt enforcement a priority. The Sheriff has them out on Seat Belt stake out. The Sheriff gets money for stops.

    No the Feds push for this. Perhaps it doesn't quite work as there would have it but...

    >>> From the Feds

    I have been pulled over Three times the past 4 years I think. Ticketed once, won in court.
    I do sort of blame my local sheriff for going for the Federal money. But I don't want the BLM fucking up the cities of America over this sort of silly shit. Cops are dying as a result of these protests. I guess the difference here is there are no Black people to pull over, he's the Sheriff. Just us old white guys with dirty pickup trucks.
     

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