Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

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  1. MarAzul

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    It wasn't the point was it? You do know the point, right? Read Bodyman's post above.
    But on the other hand, when we are stopped, maybe we should act like it is and incompetent cop every time and humor the dude as much as possible.
    It probably will work out better.
     
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    I read that 52 times thing. There has to be a lot more to this story, one way or the other.
     
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    Like I said, there is more to the 52 times thing. I'll just pick two ways it could happen to me.

    1. I get stopped by a cop for some bullshit and I swear at them, threaten them and just generally go crazy on them. If the stop is bullshit, I feel justified.

    2. I'm a criminal of some sort and they start pulling me over just to fuck with me because they can.

    I was going to stop at two but I'll just make another one up.

    3. I'm banging a cop's ex wife.

    Any of these could be the reason, or it could be one of a hundred things.

    No matter what it was I'd figure out why. If I wasn't in the wrong, I'd get a lawyer. If I was a criminal, I'd take the fucking bus. If I was driving a car that attracts cops I'd sell it.

    Pick a reason for 52 stops and I'll come up with an end to it.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean here. Over half of that guy's citations were dismissed in court. That didn't stop him from being pulled over more. You can (if you have the money) hire a lawyer each time--having a lawyer doesn't prevent you from being unjustifiably pulled over again.
     
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    If he was pulled over for good reason 52 times it is on him. If he is being targeted unfairly, find a lawyer or call the ACLU.

    Either way, I wouldn't just keep on keeping on as if nothing would ever change.
     
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    That Federal program you are talking about ended in 2009 and was not re-authorized.


    Section 406 Safety Belt Performance Grants
    Purpose


    This grant program was created to encourage states to enact and enforce primary seat belt laws, which allow law enforcement officers to ticket a driver for not wearing a seat belt, without any other traffic offense taking place.


    Requirements

    States were eligible for this grant if they had an actively enforced primary seat belt law or achieved 85% or higher seat belt usage rate for two consecutive years beginning in FY 2006.


    The first $1 million of a state's apportionment was required to be used for behavioral highway safety purposes. The remainder may have been used for any safety infrastructure purpose or for any project that corrected or improved a hazardous roadway location or proactively addressed a safety problem.


    Funding

    States with primary belt laws enacted after Dec. 31, 2002 received a one-time grant equal to 4.75 times the state's FY 2003 Section 402 apportionment. States with an 85% or higher usage rate for two consecutive years beginning in FY 2006 received a similar one-time apportionment in the last two years of the authorization. States with primary belt laws enacted prior to Dec. 31, 2002 received a one-time grant equal to two times their FY 2003 Section 402 apportionment.


    New primary belt law states received their apportionments first, followed by high belt use states, followed by older primary belt law states. Unallocated funding in FY 2009 was able to be reallocated to all eligible primary belt law states. The federal share was 100%.


    SAFETEA-LU authorized the Section 406 program at $124.5 million each year.
     
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    No recent information is available on the racial breakdown of drivers stopped or ticketed by police in Falcon Heights, the mostly white suburb where the shooting occurred, or in other Minnesota towns. Minnesota is not among the handful of states that require police to keep such data.

    But in 2001, the Legislature asked for a racial profiling study and it fell to Kearney, then at the Institute on Race & Poverty at the University of Minnesota Law School, to conduct it. His study, using information supplied voluntarily by 65 law enforcement jurisdictions in the state, found a strong likelihood that racial and ethnic bias played a role in traffic stop policies and practices. Overall, officers stopped minority drivers at greater rates than whites and searched them at greater rates, but found contraband in those searches at lower rates than whites.

    The analysis found the pattern was more pronounced in suburban areas. In Fridley, New Hope, Plymouth, Sauk Rapids and Savage combined, blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected.

    The St. Anthony Police Department, which employs the officer who shot Castile, did not participate in the study. St. Anthony officials have not commented on Castile’s stop since shortly after the shooting.

    It was not immediately clear how much money governments in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area generate from traffic violations. A U.S. Department of Justice investigation following the 2014 police shooting death of Michael Brown, a black, unarmed 18-year-old, in Ferguson, Missouri, found law enforcement efforts were focused on generating revenue for that city. Most of the tickets and fines were going to blacks.

    Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, a passenger in the car, said the two officers who stopped them said the vehicle had a broken tail light. She said one of the officers shot him “for no apparent reason” after he reached for his ID.

    Valerie Castile said she thinks her son “was just black in the wrong place.” Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton said he did not believe it would have happened to a white motorist.

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-stops/

     
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    I don't have a clue what this is supposed to mean. I know there is racial profiling going on all day every day. So what? I mean in regards to this.

    I have no idea what happened to this guy or why on Earth he was pulled over 52 times. Nobody reading articles on the Internet does either.

    I just will never be stopped by police 52 fucking times in my life. I'd be live streaming the entire thing before I even got pulled over if I somehow decided to drive my car.

    That would have been really helpful in fact, maybe we'd know what really happened.
     
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    Never say never, if you believe in yourself you can make anything happen!
     
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    Oh man! You never know, you may have a long time left and things could get really crappy. You just don't know.
    I am probably over 40, might make 52, depends on the who is Chief and Sheriff, who's passing out the funds, for what? All kinds of shit can happen.
    Hell I had 4 stops now by the Coast guard. I got 3 stops last month on the boat, deputies check this that an what have you on the boat.
    I am getting a little curious about that one though! The first thing they all ask is,
    Is this a documented vessel?
    Yes.
    May I see the paper?
    Ok, I have to go down below to get it. Ok!
    I have never done one of these.
    How does it work?
    10 minutes later we are done. Why we did it I don't know.

    I just counted them, the total interaction this year so far with law enforcement is five.
    One taillight stop, seatbelt check.
    One coast guard check for proper gear on board.
    Sheriff water patrol stop and check for ? in Three different counties.
    Five in the first 6 months of the year.
    Geez!
     
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    No privilege? The horror.
     
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    I bet you wouldn't get hassled if it were a land boat.
     
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    You know, I think you are right. When I hauled that thing to the shipyard for final assemble, it looks awesome! Big Pickup truck, long trailer with boat over hanging 25 feet. About 85' total 12 1/2 feet wide. I had flashing lights, flagman, pilot cars, you name it. Still it was a challenge in some places, I could have used help from a cop!
    Not one would even come close.
     
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