Mock Offseason Game

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  1. og15

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    I realized I can't trade Jamison yet since he just go traded

    My Lineup is:

    PG - Arenas / Blake / Dixon
    SG - Hughes / Hayes / Dixon
    SF - Jamison / Jared Jefferies
    PF - Kwame / Etan / Jefferies
    C - Haywood / Etan / John Ramos
     
  2. Zhone

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I realized I can't trade Jamison yet since he just go traded</div>

    In this game, so far we've been letting it slide. (The CBA is fuzzy on recently-traded players being traded again. The example I always bring up is Sheed who got traded twice, though that was during the season - but that didn't bring up any problems.) I think it's your choice if you want to field offers or not.
     
  3. jbbReal Deal

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    Roster Update (after all signings, and trades so far)...

    Starters...
    C - Erick Dampier ($10 million)
    PF - Dennis Rodman ($1.1 million)
    SF - Ricky Davis ($5.5 million)
    SG - Kobe Bryant ($16 million)
    PG - Gary Payton ($5.4 million)

    Bench...
    PG - Nick Van Exel ($11.8 million)
    SG - Jerry Stackhouse ($7 million)
    PF - Cliff Robinson ($5.3 million)
    C - Al Jefferson ($1.4 million)
    SF - Bruce Bowen ($5 million)
    PF - Luke Walton ($620,046)
    SF - Rick Fox ($4.9 million)

    IR...
    SG - Sasha Vujacic ($705,700)
    PG - Mateen Cleaves (minimum)

    I really like what I've done so far...but I'm not done yet. I'm happy with my bench...and I think my starters would work really good together. I'm balanced defensively...and I have two great rebounders in my starting five, and two really explosive players on offense, and a veteran point guard that will do better since we won't be using the triangle offense anymore. I'm only weak on my backup center, but who knows...he's a rookie and he played excellent in high school...he's meant to play the forward, but he's strong enough to play the paint, in my opinion. Three players for each position, except for the center, which has two. Balance is a factor. Sure looks good without Shaq...the way I see things, it looks much more promising.
     
  4. Ming637

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    Whose starting line-up is better? Streetball2k3 or mine?

    Streetball2k3:

    PG: Sam Cassel
    SG: Marquis Daniels
    SF: Josh Howard
    PF: Dirk Nowitzki
    C: Shaquille O'neal

    or

    Mine:

    PG: Stephon Marbury
    SG: Allan Houston
    SF: Wally Sczerbiak
    PF: Shareef Abdul-rahim
    C: Kurt Thomas
     
  5. Streetball2k5

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    And I could be adding Rashard Lewis and Manu Ginobili to that lineup, take that into consideration aswell [​IMG].
     
  6. og15

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    Okay people we have to use the cap here, I see some teams that signed a few too many guys, Toronto was over the cap to begin with, so all they had was the MLE and LLE, and them minimum contracts.

    Their's no possible way they could've signed Stephen Jackson, Derek Fisher, Rafer Alston, and I'm guessng Donyell Marshall was traded for someone, Nazr or Kirilenko or something, but it's not working right now.

    Courtking you need to watch these people's cap, update their cap situation, and how much they have left of their MLE and LLE whenever they ask for a signing.
     
  7. Streetball2k5

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    Exactly, and the Raptors were looking to sign Steve Nash to a multi year dear worth something like 60 million, and I think that is absurd seeing they started over the cap anyways.

    I think as of now, courtking should look at the teams salary before letting people get signed right and left.

    SO, you are lucky if you've signed who you wanted and are over the cap already, because I don't think we will take players off your team, but from now on the cap should be in place.

    Good thing i've traded and only signed 1 person over the exception [​IMG].
     
  8. og15

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Zhone":</div><div class="quote_post">In this game, so far we've been letting it slide. (The CBA is fuzzy on recently-traded players being traded again. The example I always bring up is Sheed who got traded twice, though that was during the season - but that didn't bring up any problems.) I think it's your choice if you want to field offers or not.</div>

    Yea in one on one trades you can't trade the player after a month, but Rasheed was involved in a 3 team deal, that's why he was able to be traded again right away.
     
  9. jbbReal Deal

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Biggie_Little:</div><div class="quote_post">Whose starting line-up is better? Streetball2k3 or mine?

    Streetball2k3:

    PG: Sam Cassel
    SG: Marquis Daniels
    SF: Josh Howard
    PF: Dirk Nowitzki
    C: Shaquille O'neal

    or

    Mine:

    PG: Stephon Marbury
    SG: Allan Houston
    SF: Wally Sczerbiak
    PF: Shareef Abdul-rahim
    C: Kurt Thomas</div>

    If you want the honest truth, both are the same. Kurt Thomas isn't that great of a center compared to Shaq...and how well can Shareef adjust to playing alongside players that are either better or equal in talent? Oh well...but there are a couple of second year players who may not get any better than they are right now in the Mavs lineup. You can't tell how good they'll be unless they can keep providing for more than one year...and how well can they work with Shaq? That's always a question. Also a question...how good are your role players? [​IMG]
     
  10. Streetball2k5

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    Add Lewis and Ginobili to the lineup instead of howard+daniels. Now which team is better?
     
  11. jbbReal Deal

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    I already checked my cap room, and had Zhone give me a second opinion...I've pretty much signed players to minimums except for Kobe and Bowen. I'm in the clear [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k3:</div><div class="quote_post">Add Lewis and Ginobili to the lineup instead of howard+daniels. Now which team is better?</div>

    Then it'd be the Mavs, but how do you expect to get those two? I'll be shocked if you're able to keep Howard and Daniels.
     
  13. Streetball2k5

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    I've basically signed Ginobili, seeing the Spurs GM hasn't been online yet, and I've offered this deal to the Sonics GM.

    Dallas trades:

    Tariq Abdul-Wahad ( ppg, rpg, apg in minutes)

    SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)

    SG Marquis Daniels (8.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.1 apg in 18.5 minutes)

    Dallas receives:

    SF Rashard Lewis (17.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 36.6 minutes)

    Change in team outlook: +0.7 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and -1.4 apg.

    Seattle trades:

    SF Rashard Lewis (17.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 36.6 minutes)

    Seattle receives:

    Tariq Abdul-Wahad ( ppg, rpg, apg in games)

    SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)

    SG Marquis Daniels (8.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.1 apg in 56 games)

    Change in team outlook: -0.7 ppg, +1.6 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Dallas and Seattle being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and Seattle had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
     
  14. B.e.

    B.e. The One Who Score Touchdowns and Spikes Mics

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    Is anyone intrested in Marcus Camby,Earl Boykins,if so PM me.
     
  15. Courtking

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    eron3 has signed robert horry 1 year/5 million offer
     
  16. Zhone

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    Good eye, og. So far I've checked 3 or 4 teams. It takes me like 20 minutes a team if they've done a bunch of trades. I'll check the Raptors now, chronologically to see if there's any red flags.

    1) Raptors sign F Stephen Jackson to a 6 year 48$
     
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    Denver has signed Brian Skinner to a 2 year 10 million dollar deal
     
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  19. Zhone

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    Good eye, og15. It takes me a while to review a roster, usually people rely on realGM for trades which is close enough, but there's nothing for signings. Let me review the Toronto Rapters roster:

    Vince Carter $13 mil
    Jalen Rose $13 mil
    Alvin Williams $6 mil
    Donyell Marshall $5 mil
    Chris Bosh $2.3 mil
    Rafael Araujo $1.7 mil
    Jerome Moiso minimum

    Total: $41 mil
    Cap space: about $4 mil
    Exceptions: MLE and Million

    1) Signing Rafer Alston for 5 years, $21 million w/6th year option (1st year salary: $4 million)
    > This first deal Toronto makes fits under the cap, I think. Even if not, we can be a little nice. Eh?

    Current cap space: $0
    Both exceptions available

    2) Traded Marshall ($5 mil) and Williams ($6 mil) for Kirilenko ($1 mil) and Lopez ($1 mil)
    > This trade works under the CBA. Utah is under the cap and can absorb salaries. Amazing deal by Tor to get Kirilenko and also get cap space. I wish I was up when Utah was offering Kirilenko.

    Current cap space: $9 mil
    Both exceptions available

    3) Signing Stephen Jackson for 6 years, $48 million (1st year salary: $7 mil)
    > With the cap space from the trade, it works.

    Current cap space: $2 mil
    Both exceptions available.

    4) Signing Peterson for 4 years, $24 million (assuming starting at $5.5 mil)
    > Should fall under Bird exception, so this signing is ok. Technically doesn't have to use any exceptions, I think.

    Current cap space: negative
    Both exceptions available

    5) Signing Derek Fisher for 4 years, $20 million (assuming start at $4.5 mil)
    > Falls under the MLE, which we said was worth $5.5.

    Only Million $ exception available.

    6) Signing waived Derrick Coleman for 3 years, 8 million (assuming start at bout $2.3 million)
    > This is tricky because waived players don't work like this exactly. Doesn't quite fit into either exceptions left... hmm. If we were nice we could say his million dollar exception was full.

    Conclusion: Technically, it fits because he made that crazy deal, unless you disagree with me about the Alston signing.

    Essentially, he was a lucky/smart because he found someone with cap space who was willing to absorb it.
     
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    Brian Cardinal has been signed by og15 for -----
     

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