OT Moderating content doesn’t have to be so traumatic

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by SlyPokerDog, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Well-Known Member

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    You know what? Yall might as well ban my ass too. Lol. Im not changing my opinion about others opinions being the driving force of moderation around here.
     
  2. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Know where you are going or end up somewhere else!

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    I'm a believer in, free respectful courteous speech. Speech is a form of communication and for it to be productive there needs to be a transmitter and receiver, dialed in.
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I wasn't whining, I thought that article was funny and it actually has nothing to do with moderating this forum.

    I posted it as a joke.
     
  4. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Having opinions will not get you banned.
     
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  5. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Well-Known Member

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    Seemed to get Cippy banned. But we will never know for sure now will we?
     
  6. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Well-Known Member

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    And before you say he wasn't banned for his opinion but violating an agreement. He had violated it several times and wasn't banned until he got into it with HCP... more than likely defending himself. I told him what he said to you on twitter doesn't help his cause though.

    But yeah, how would we know what gets you banned when the bannable offenses are deleted?

    Such a conundrum....

    And I didn't say this thread was a whining thread(the op), as indicated with the question mark. Seemed like it, or a way to let the whining commence anyhow.

    With that said there have been many "ooohhh Geeez" moments posted by mods(including yourself) about having to deal with the "crap" around here. So you know it happens and cant deny it. I offered suggestions on how to remedy at least some of it, and that's all I can do.
     
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    On behalf of those who have no clue what you are talking about - what the hell are you talking about?
     
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  8. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Well-Known Member

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    My point exactly.

    I rest my case.
     
  9. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    That's because I truly treat banning as the very last result and will go out of my way to not do it. Yes, he violated it multiple times. No matter what he or anyone else claims I did not have it out for him. It just reached a point where it was never going to stop.

    If you have a problem not understanding what a personal insult is I will explain it to you long before you're banned.

    Yes, I've bitched about things. You're bitching about things. I think we have all bitched at different times. . There are times when I just want to talk about the Blazers and instead I have to deal with arguments, insults, problems, and general housekeeping of this forum.

    I replied to 16 different PM's last night. It's not a complaint. I'm just saying that at times there can be a lot to do. I talked to staff, I talked to members about staff, I talked about forum events, I talked about insults, I talked about concerns, ideas, and suggestions. I missed the 2nd half of the game and was busy up until I went to bed last night. These are not complaints. Just telling you that sometimes it's hard to give everyone the attention and respect that they deserve.

    I do try to my very best to treat everyone with respect and to treat this place as a real community of fans instead of just an anonymous internet forum.
     
  10. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough. I just think you make it harder on yourself than it should be Did you see my comment about flagging posts? Id really like you yo at least consider it. I think it would make your job easier and make the forum less bitchy about mods. Just about each other. And I think the bitching about each other will minimize because there is no doubt or question as to what happened.. like there is in the Cippy instance.

    Evidence is evidence and when its destroyed, so is the validity of the case.
     
  11. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    People already do flag posts. We have a flagging feature built into the software. It's used almost daily. The staff responds to it quietly and professionally. People also send PMs to staff about problems and concerns. I would say that the vast majority of moderation of this community happens quietly in the background.

    And that's how it should be.
     
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    If negative thoughts start building up in your brain...immediately start whistling Sweet Georgia Brown.....this is a riverman university teaser
     
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    Cippy was his own worst enemy.
    He even admitted to this on multiple occasions.

    You don't state your opinion then get upitty and play the victim/lash out if people disagree with you.
    He might not've meant to play the victim/lash out. But it's 100% on him for allowing his posts to be perceived in such a way.
    If he would've took a step back and figured out a better way to present his opinions. Some people might be inclined in some ways to agree with him.
    Which would've led to less people blocking him, which would've led to a more enjoyable time on the forum and less interactions with the worst posters on this forum.
    Similar to how @Portland2014 comes in and does what he does when the team isn't doing so well.
    If Portland2014 would take a step back, he'd realize that these same people he calls 'homers, or okay with mediocrity'. Say the same things he does, but present it in a way that is not hostile.
     
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    So why not take that a step further and put a percent mark on it? Some posters may have it out for other posters and flag everything. I think it should be a min. amount flagged required ( 5? 10?)before an edit or deletion should even be considered. Doesn't need to be on the fore front, but if the members know what the percent line is, then it might aid to more people understanding the decisions made by the mods. Until things are transparent, mods will always be under scrutiny.

    Maybe you want to keep it that way and that's fine, but then no more bitching about having to do work?

    As long as things are hidden and decisions are privately made without a set guideline as to when the decision is made, you will always have people complaining about the decisions. Don't expect it to ever change unless the system is willing to change.

    I think there are enough people complaining about the current system of opinion based editing, that it should not be dismissed so easily. I think we are in double digits of people who don't care for the current ways.

    And again, We don't need drastic changes, just a better set of guidelines and lines to not cross, based on the forum members opinion of the post. Not the mods.

    So with the flagging system, what makes the decision to edit or delete based on the flags? How many before action is taken? 1? 10? 100? is it based on the mod who is viewing at the time and his opinion?

    Lots of factors not being divulged that, again, put the mods in suspect.
     
  15. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I'm jealous. Nobody PMs me. :confused:

    Probably 'cause they know that I don't actually do anything.
     
  16. riverman

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    This alone qualifies you for riverman university
     
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  17. Orion Bailey

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    Apples to oranges. (To @SlyPokerDog also.)

    Fist portland 2014 is tunchi. Not sure if you know that.

    They would make a post and then leave. Stirring the pot much like a troll.

    Cippy expressed his opinions in, yes, abrasive ways, but then people can ignore him right?

    Cippy was targeted by a forum bully this time around and that bully is a forum favorite and gets special treatment and thus Cippy was banned.

    If it was not a biased event, he would have been banned. or warned the first time he violated said agreement.

    To not warn of the violations previously, but then just up and ban him now, leave a very vague feeling. He should have been warned this time around before just banning, that he was in violation.

    But here in lies the foundation of the problem so many people have with deleting. Now there is no record of what exactly happened, and I personally think that's BS. That is corrupt type of behavior.

    Again. Destroy the evidence and you have negated your argument.

    There have been reasons presented for why deletions happen, or edits, but have been debunked.

    Maybe we need an election so there cant be one "all time dictator" doing it one way forever?

    Also, those who show bias, are rarely aware of such actions and have no clue they are being biased.

    I'm telling you now, there are favorites played here and many people know it. You can deny it all you want but there are conversations about said bias you aren't aware of.
     
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    Why don't you just start a forum and set it up the way you want it set up?..This forum came into being because of a mass exodus from another dysfunctional forum..this one works just fine if you keep a sense of humor...it's this over thinking the game that has lost us a lot of our funnier posters which I miss. I think OB that you're sweating small stuff here. I would have banned Cippy long ago for insulting folks and not letting up..move on man....
     
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    PtldPlatypus Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Surely your bias against the other party in the Cippy altercation has no bearing on your interpretation of the situation...

    I've been Cippy's biggest advocate. I was the reason he was brought back after his first banning.

    He repeatedly violated the personal attack rules. I think it's ridiculous to criticize Sly for being too patient with him.

    I understand that you're not happy with the post deletion, and I see your point. However, I've seen the deleted posts. I can vouch for their content.

    It's reasonable for you to complain about the deletions. But to dispute the banning itself is borne of ignorance, and I think you're better than that.
     
  20. H.C.

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    I'm not going to comment on the rest of the post because frankly I know a lot of it already and found it less-than positive.
    I've even expressed some of these things LAST NIGHT in the public and dm's.

    People did ignore Cippy, I know of at least 8 posters which had him on ignore at the time of his banning.
    I was one of those posters.
    That's 8 posters who while might not be the best the forum has to offer, they're certainly not the worst.
    When you present your posts in a way which has certain posters put you on ignore it leaves the worst of the forum to respond to it.
    That's 100% on Cippy for not understanding that if you act toxic, people who are too old for that shit refuse to even read your posts. Leaving only toxic people to read your posts.
    Is it unfair it works that way? Perhaps, but at the end of the day life is too short for negative people. Especially on a fan forum where many would rather escape reality than deal with their daily lives.

    Toxic people will never ignore toxic posts.
     

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