This has been covered in three or four other posts. I'll let you read them rather than re-type it. Rose was considered a top prospect for two years or so. Compare that to James and Rubio and Oden, who were on the radar for four years. That is why I lumped Rubio in with those players. As for Rose being a better PG prospect than Rubio? I don't agree with that. Rose might not even end up playing PG as his career progresses. He's certainly not a passing PG along the lines of Paul and Magic and Rubio. Ed O.
Who cares if you are a passing pg or scoring pg, there are both pg's and Rose will be a point his whole career. This whole "pure" pg thing is getting out of hand and turning into an urban legend.
That's because he's more of a Tony Parker type PG than a Chris Paul/Magic PG. I do think however Derrick Rose is a better passer than Parker. I'm not really sure how you came to the conclusion Rose may not be a PG as his career progresses, and am curious to hear your explanation.
Any year you win the championship will require that pretty much everything goes right when it matters. It would this year, and it will in five years. That's hardly a reason to not try and win it all anyways. Depends on which ones. I don't think Rubio is a franchise level player, I don't even think he'll ever make the allstar team. Depends on which ones. If they're not going to be part of our core anyways, then why not move a young player? And it's not like we're talking about adding Mutombo or something, these vets still have several years left in the league. I think you just overvalue Rubio, and undervalue what we could be without him.
It's not binary. It's not, like, suddenly your window is open... or it's not open. If we consider that a team needs to have a "10" season in order to win it all, and we start with some baseline value with a +/- based on luck or variance or whatever, I'd prefer to have a higher baseline with our core players than building up around the core prematurely and hoping that the +/- is weighed heavily in our favor. Well there you go, then. Guess we'll wait and see. What veterans are you talking about? What veterans that you see us getting would be impaired by using those young bench parts to get Rubio? I have every confidence that Portland will be a top-5 team within the next two or three years, whether we add another young part or not. I think that Oden is going to emerge into a tremendous force and I am a big Bayless fan. I just don't think that it will happen THIS YEAR, and I don't think that Portland will ever be in such a great position to add another potentially great young piece without disrupting this core. Further, the timing is great... adding a teenag stud prospect five years from now would definitely not help the Roy window remain open (because Roy would be done by the time the player is at his peak), but if we added one now, it would extend it for several years, IMO. Ed O.
I agree Ed. I have been pretty solidly in the "add veterans" camp, but I also recognize that the addition of a Rubio would further strengthen our nucleus for years to come. I want to win now, but I'm not willing to mortgage the future simply because we made the playoffs.
You know, this is begining to remind me of last summer, when some people were seriously arguing that we should trade LMA to Miami for the chance to draft Beasley. Not long ago, I was pretty enthusiastic about Rubio. That feeling is waning by the day. The more people hype him up, the more skeptical I become. Call me contrarion, call me a cynic, call it a case of "Odenitis"....but I am not willing to trade the present for some vague hope that an 18 year old kid will someday be an MVP candidate. Long time Blazer fans have endured enough. We deserve a team that is doing its' best to win! I won't speak for anybody else, but I am hitting the limits of my loyalty and patience.
Those weren't the same people. Beasley was always a terrible defender and hugely overrated. It's one of those signs of old age. You'll find enthusiasm about everything except perhaps where to get a cheap meal and telling your grandchildren how it was different in the old days will continue to decline. Can we call you a boring old fart? Simple solution: walk away from the boards until after the draft. Repeat after me: Pritchard is going to do what he's going to do, and nothing that is bouncing around the internet is going to affect him. If you don't enjoy reading it, then DON'T READ IT. My God, you sound like you've lived through the Blitz or something. Get a grip!
Beasley overrated and Rubio isn't? Just a few posts up someone compared Rubio to Magic Freaking Johnson! That is damn near as bad as calling him "The Next Jordan". Rubio is now completely fucked. It honestly doesn't matter now what he does. If he doesn't vie for league MVP in a few years, he will be a disappointment to these same lunatics. What if he comes into the league, has a great handle, is a good defender but never gets a consistent jumper? As it stands now, he will get shit on. Sad really.
Last I checked, both of those guys as rookies, would have kicked Rubios ass. The only reason Rubio is up high in this draft, is because this draft sucks. The more I hear about Rubio, the more I am thinking about Andre Bargiani. This is the type of shit that lead up to Bargiani going #1. Hype: Check Superhype: Check Good scouting of him: Nope Workouts here in the states: Nope. Complete game: Nope. Lot's of clips of him on Utube: Yep Start on his European team: Nope. Sound familiar? If you fail to learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. These are all of the types of things that lead to a Euro going #1 that should have gone in the 2nd round. It amazes me how the parrellel with Bargiani and that draft are adding up. This should raise some alarms, that at least account for making the management team considering him a bit more. Let's be clear here though. I am not saying Rubio isn't going to be a good player. I just think it is a lot more sketchy than a lot of you do. When Rudy was coming into the league, I knew a lot about him because I had watched him, and knew he was good. Not just olympics. Euro games. Now I haven't taken the time to do the same for Rubio, so maybe if I watched some games I would be impressed. But IMO, when you are taking a top 5 pick, they should be ready to go for the most part right out of the gate. From what I am seeing with Rubio, I don't think he is ready to roll out of the gate, he will need like 3 years, at least. He needs to develope a shot. He needs to cut down on early game turnovers He needs to learn how to function in a half court game. The only way I see him getting around those things, is if Mike D'Antoni is his coach, because the system will be up tempo. Then he will just be one of those guys who goes to the playoffs and loses every year because the up tempo game doesn't work in the playoffs.
Bargnani should have gone in the second round? Gimme a break. No, he shouldn't have been picked ahead of Roy, that's for sure. Don't kid yourself into thinking he shoudl have been a 2nd round pick. He's still a talented player, and not nearly as bad as many like to put him down as. What is true about him is he wasn't as ready to contribute immediately to his team as some of the other players selected after him. He's not as good as Roy, and never will be, so some could look at that as a blunder. As for your assesment of Rubio, because you yourself haven't scouted him, do you take that to mean an NBA team has not as well? You managed to watch tapes of Rudy because we selected him, and had a year to wait on him. I'm guessing if we select Rubio, and he stayed in Europe for one more year, you woudl do the same for him. You seem to try to guess a lot about his game for admittedly not watching him at all. I am not syaing he is ready to contribute immediately to a championship level team, or at elast, not ready to start on one. If he was the ONLY move this offseason, with no addition of veteran talent anywhere, I would be somewhat upset with the offseason, but excited about his prospects.
It looks like the Blazers went after Caron Butler recently. That is music to my ears. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/22/AR2009062202748.html
Really what has he done to show that he is worthy of being a 1st round pick. I would like to hear this.
I hereby anoint Brandon Roy the next Messiah. Verily he can walk on water. Oh shit! Now Roy is overrated! You're right. Except that you're not. Besides, if they're lunatics, they'll believe that he should be League MVP and it's only a massive conspiracy to keep him down that's preventing him. Y'see? Actually Rubio can't lose!
Nothing. But he should have been a top-10 pick which is not the 2nd round. Rubio is not going to go 1st either... - but he is clearly a top-10 pick, probably top-5 if people do not lose their mind. EDIT: My mistake, I thought you said why did he go 1st pick instead of 1st round pick... It is clear why he was a 1st round pick - as the people below noticed...
He's in the league and actually playing minutes. If you line up every player from each draft in diminishing order of contribution, there's always fewer than 30 that actually make it. Therefore he's worth a first round pick.
He's a 7 footer with 3 point range who put up over 15 and 5. He striggled his first two years, for sure. And I am not saying he is a great player, but look at 1st rounders every year. He easily, EASILY is a first round pick every year. It's an absolute joke to think he is only 2nd round talent.
If Washington wasn't willing to include Butler in a trade for Amare, I think it might be tough for us to get him. Although, we do have the bonus of being able to take on some salary.
