<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro @ Jan 16 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Dec 16 2007, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> The focus of the article was the tape destruction. The journalist was right about 1 thing, it will be an issue as long as the Pats keep winning.</p></div> Was the NFL supposed to let the Patriots keep their video library for future use? They were pretty clear at the outset that they wanted all the videos the Patriots had shot from the sidelines since the first memo so that they could be destroyed. I'm not sure why anyone was surprised by the NFL doing what it stated it was going to do. </div> No, no one is stupid enough to suggest that the NFL let the Patriots keep their video library. Get real. Before the tapes were destroyed, the other NFL owners deserved to know what were on the tapes. More than that, NFL fans deserve to know what were on the tapes. Why? Because the NFL is asking us to buy into the integrity of the league. Knowing what is on the tapes would have allowed people to make a better assessment of how much the tapes helped the Patriots cheat their way to wins. Considering the speed with which Goodall destroyed the tapes, I have to conclude that Goodall is trying to protect Kraft and the Patriots and that's not his job. Goodall works for the NFL, not the Patriots. </div> How is Goodell protecting the Patriots by destroying the tapes? Because the "fans" wanted to see the video? Why should the fans need to see what was on the tapes? When athletes test positive for steroids does ESPN need do to start an "ESPN Cribs" special where they tour the house and analyze all of the steroid pills used? The Patriots were fairly punished. The things people pull out of their asses really amazed me. You act like being fined $500,000 as an individual (Bill Belichick) AND $250,000 as a team ($750,000 in total), having a 1st round draft pick taken away from them and potentially 2nd and 3rd round picks if they missed they playoffs wasn't enough? That's complete crap. A few highly regarded NFL Hall of Fame coaches have said that it is common practice in the NFL to tape the opponents signals. Some of the suggestions that have come out of this thread are absolutely assinine.. First of all..how was the NFL supposed to know which pick between the Patriots and 49ers would be higher at the time? Both teams had won their first game and there was no telling which direction each team would go in. Second of all..forfeit the game? The game was already over at halftime...was it spygate that made Ellis Hobbes return a kick for 108 yards? Was it? Ask yourself that. That was the score that put the game away. And then a $10 million fine? Horrible....when have you ever heard of such a ridiculous idea of a fine? $1 million woulda been stretching it...I guess the only thing that was honestly warrented was some sort of Belichick suspension..it wasn't the player's and they had no idea. If the NFL barred the Patriots from the playoffs then why should the Patriots even take the field? $50 million fine? The loss of 6 first round picks? Some of your suggestions are horrible and show the true jealousy inside of you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro @ Jan 17 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro @ Jan 16 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Dec 16 2007, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> The focus of the article was the tape destruction. The journalist was right about 1 thing, it will be an issue as long as the Pats keep winning.</p></div> Was the NFL supposed to let the Patriots keep their video library for future use? They were pretty clear at the outset that they wanted all the videos the Patriots had shot from the sidelines since the first memo so that they could be destroyed. I'm not sure why anyone was surprised by the NFL doing what it stated it was going to do. </div> No, no one is stupid enough to suggest that the NFL let the Patriots keep their video library. Get real. Before the tapes were destroyed, the other NFL owners deserved to know what were on the tapes. More than that, NFL fans deserve to know what were on the tapes. Why? Because the NFL is asking us to buy into the integrity of the league. Knowing what is on the tapes would have allowed people to make a better assessment of how much the tapes helped the Patriots cheat their way to wins. Considering the speed with which Goodall destroyed the tapes, I have to conclude that Goodall is trying to protect Kraft and the Patriots and that's not his job. Goodall works for the NFL, not the Patriots. </div> What was on the tapes was the video shot from the sidelines during the 2006 season. That was what the NFL requested for destruction so that New England wouldn't be able to use the footage. That's what New England turned over and what was destroyed. Teams that played the Patriots can go back and look at their own game tapes and see just what was on New England's tapes. </div> 1. Did you get to see the Patriots' tapes? How do you know what is on them? 2. Your last sentence doesn't make any sense. How is looking at the Patriots' opponents game films going to tell anyone what was on the Patriots illegal defensive signal tapes?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jan 17 2008, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro @ Jan 16 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Dec 16 2007, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> The focus of the article was the tape destruction. The journalist was right about 1 thing, it will be an issue as long as the Pats keep winning.</p></div> Was the NFL supposed to let the Patriots keep their video library for future use? They were pretty clear at the outset that they wanted all the videos the Patriots had shot from the sidelines since the first memo so that they could be destroyed. I'm not sure why anyone was surprised by the NFL doing what it stated it was going to do. </div> No, no one is stupid enough to suggest that the NFL let the Patriots keep their video library. Get real. Before the tapes were destroyed, the other NFL owners deserved to know what were on the tapes. More than that, NFL fans deserve to know what were on the tapes. Why? Because the NFL is asking us to buy into the integrity of the league. Knowing what is on the tapes would have allowed people to make a better assessment of how much the tapes helped the Patriots cheat their way to wins. Considering the speed with which Goodall destroyed the tapes, I have to conclude that Goodall is trying to protect Kraft and the Patriots and that's not his job. Goodall works for the NFL, not the Patriots. </div> How is Goodell protecting the Patriots by destroying the tapes? Because the "fans" wanted to see the video? Why should the fans need to see what was on the tapes? When athletes test positive for steroids does ESPN need do to start an "ESPN Cribs" special where they tour the house and analyze all of the steroid pills used? The Patriots were fairly punished. The things people pull out of their asses really amazed me. You act like being fined $500,000 as an individual (Bill Belichick) AND $250,000 as a team ($750,000 in total), having a 1st round draft pick taken away from them and potentially 2nd and 3rd round picks if they missed they playoffs wasn't enough? That's complete crap. A few highly regarded NFL Hall of Fame coaches have said that it is common practice in the NFL to tape the opponents signals. Some of the suggestions that have come out of this thread are absolutely assinine.. First of all..how was the NFL supposed to know which pick between the Patriots and 49ers would be higher at the time? Both teams had won their first game and there was no telling which direction each team would go in. Second of all..forfeit the game? The game was already over at halftime...was it spygate that made Ellis Hobbes return a kick for 108 yards? Was it? Ask yourself that. That was the score that put the game away. And then a $10 million fine? Horrible....when have you ever heard of such a ridiculous idea of a fine? $1 million woulda been stretching it...I guess the only thing that was honestly warrented was some sort of Belichick suspension..it wasn't the player's and they had no idea. If the NFL barred the Patriots from the playoffs then why should the Patriots even take the field? $50 million fine? The loss of 6 first round picks? Some of your suggestions are horrible and show the true jealousy inside of you. </div> 1. It wasn't enough. Belicheat should have been suspended. If a player had done something wrong, on that scale, he would have been suspended and perhaps banned from the league. I'm sure that Pete Rose wishes that Roger Goodall had been a baseball commissioner instead. 2. The Patriots should have lost both first round picks. BF1 made a good point when he brought up the Timberwolves of the NBA. 3. Forfeit that game? I'm not sure. The tapes wouldn't have been much help in that game, but since Goodall Ollie Northed the Pats video library, we have no idea how long the Pats have been cheating and how many previous games were influnced. That's assuming that the Patriots actually turned over the entire library. The NFL should have sent it's own people over to the Patriots facility immediately and demanded to see everything that the Pats had, before they had a chance to hide anything, but Roger Goodall seems to think that cheaters will be honest and do the right thing. It's not jealousy. If we're playing a game and I catch you cheating, do you think I'm just going to laugh and say that it's okay? Belicheat assaulted the integrity of the game and if the game has no integrity, then why watch? If Belicheat doesn't like being called a cheater, then perhaps he should refrain from cheating. The only point that I will concede is that I don't think most of the players knew or participated in the cheating and it's a shame that their accomplishments have come under scrutiny. On the other hand, when Tedy Bruschi knows full well that Belicheck is guility and he yells, "How do we feel about playing for Bill Belicheck?" in the middle of the locker room, then my respect for him takes a nose dive. When Ricky Williams kept testing positive for smoking weed, he was labelled a pot head and sent to play in the CFL. I have no problem with that and he played for my team. Bill Belicheat breaks the rules with the intention of altering the outcome of games in his favor, which is worse for the game than what Ricky did, and he's named Coach of the Year and the media can't stop gushing about him. I feel sorry for any parent trying to introduce their kid to the NFL this year. The lessons being taught are just pathetic.
Goodall can always hire Hillary & the Rose law firm if things get real sticky. Does this make Belichick Scooter Libby & Goodall the president? lol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Did you get to see the Patriots' tapes? How do you know what is on them?</div> We know exactly what was on them as the NFL leaked the video footage recorded at the Jets game to Fox Sports. The other tapes had more of the same from the rest of the games since the memo went out. Shots of defensive formations, the sidelines, and the scoreboard. What the hell do you think was on them? Secret footage of the JFK assassination? Al-Qaeda planning meetings for 9/11? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Patriots should have lost both first round picks. BF1 made a good point when he brought up the Timberwolves of the NBA.</div> The Timberwolves lost no first round picks that they'd traded for. The #1s they lost were entirely their own.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro @ Jan 20 2008, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Did you get to see the Patriots' tapes? How do you know what is on them?</div> We know exactly what was on them as the NFL leaked the video footage recorded at the Jets game to Fox Sports. The other tapes had more of the same from the rest of the games since the memo went out. Shots of defensive formations, the sidelines, and the scoreboard. What the hell do you think was on them? Secret footage of the JFK assassination? Al-Qaeda planning meetings for 9/11? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 17 2008, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Patriots should have lost both first round picks. BF1 made a good point when he brought up the Timberwolves of the NBA.</div> The Timberwolves lost no first round picks that they'd traded for. The #1s they lost were entirely their own. </div> 1. Rather than getting all silly with the JFK and Al-Qaeda nonsense, just calm down and try to follow some logic. Obviously, there were a lot of coaches that came out after spygate and said that they had odd encounters with the Patriots and their taping practices in the past. It's not the content, but the depth of the collection that I wonder about. I'm not satisfied that the NFL has done enough to make sure they have gotten all the tapes and I would like to know why Goodall was so quick to Ollie North the tapes without discussing what was found publically. Where the integrity of the game is concerned, the paying public has a right to know what the Patriots were doing and to what extent. By the way, I never saw the footage from Fox Sports. I remember trying to google it up when I first heard about it and never saw it. If you have a link, that would be great. Still, the NFL needs to be more forthcoming about what they found. 2. Regardless, the Timberwolves lost far more than one first rounder and Goodall didn't have the guts to make it a first rounder outright. He had to put conditions on it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284 @ Jan 21 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can we just let this thread die? I thought it was dead about two months ago.</div> Talk to elmunro. He's the one who revived it out of the blue.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 22 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284 @ Jan 21 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can we just let this thread die? I thought it was dead about two months ago.</div> Talk to elmunro. He's the one who revived it out of the blue. </div> You're right. I just checked the post dates and saw a one-month gap between the last post in mid December and El Munro's reply that came in last week.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 22 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Rather than getting all silly with the JFK and Al-Qaeda nonsense, just calm down and try to follow some logic. Obviously, there were a lot of coaches that came out after spygate and said that they had odd encounters with the Patriots and their taping practices in the past. It's not the content, but the depth of the collection that I wonder about. I'm not satisfied that the NFL has done enough to make sure they have gotten all the tapes and I would like to know why Goodall was so quick to Ollie North the tapes without discussing what was found publically. Where the integrity of the game is concerned, the paying public has a right to know what the Patriots were doing and to what extent. By the way, I never saw the footage from Fox Sports. I remember trying to google it up when I first heard about it and never saw it. If you have a link, that would be great. Still, the NFL needs to be more forthcoming about what they found.</div> The NFL requested all the sideline footage the Patriots had shot since the first memo went out in 2006. As we've seen a sample of the footage, we know what was on the rest of them, more of the same. The footage turned over would have dated back to the first memo, prior to that there was no directive regarding sideline footage. So no prior footage would have been turned over. So your desire for sideline footage from 2002 would be unsatisfied anyway. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jan 22 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2. Regardless, the Timberwolves lost far more than one first rounder and Goodall didn't have the guts to make it a first rounder outright. He had to put conditions on it.</div> The first round picks that the T'wolves lost were end of the round picks, the sort that nearly never matter in the NBA. The football talent pool is much larger than the basketball one, and the first round pick lost likely to produce a high calibre NFL player. The list of NBA players chosen outside the first third of the draft that ever do anything in the NBA is quite slender, I assure you.
