Notice More US school-age children die from guns than on-duty US police or global military fatalities

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Well, clearly all of them. Everyone there would take their own lives if they had the temptation of a gun.
     
  2. Road Ratt

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    Thank you for playing.

    I knew you were up to something with your distraction question. Trying to take me to a point you wanted to make, rather than actually giving a crap about the issue. Very deceptive of you. Sorry, but I don't do deceptive.

    This is the exact reason I don't do online "debating" very often. Too many people are nothing more than deceptive and childish in how they deal with others online.

    Edit: Can I see you now? If not, it wasn't my fault for that.
     
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  3. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Its the subject of the post and the central issue at hand. Blaming politicians, gun control, whatever, is a red herring. Might as well talk about how many people die in hunting accidents or guns being discharged haphazardly.

    US School Age Children Die more than US police and global military.

    So the question is how is this happening? Who is this happening to?

    The anomaly of it all is the disproportionate number of black children dying from gun violence. 14% of the population, 41% of gun deaths.

    That is the thing here that's shocking and what should be looked and fixed if you want to decrease these numbers.
     
  4. Lanny

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    They blamed the Boeing 737 for crashing.
    Anyhow, airplanes are not purposely designed to take lives.
     
  5. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Because it was a mechanical issue. Not a user issue.

    Guns are designed to kill. They're killing people. Working as intended. Airplanes are meant to stay in the sky, right?
     
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    I think there should be a varying degree when labeling a gun nut. There are certainly mentally ill gun nuts, but not all who believe in and excersize the right to own a gun are gun nuts. Some have simply been in the military and are trained to live life in such a manner, as to always have an ability to defend oneself.

    Different teaching and environments might dictTe a varying degree of reason why one might own a gun. Not just that they are gun nuts

    ( not saying you said all gun owners are gun nuts)
     
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    Its saddens me that there is so much polarization that any side doesn't seem to want to put down their arguments for the sake of addressing life altering/dangerous issues facing our young people and society.
    Many families experienced tragedy from numerous cultural privileges, Alcohol that kills many ways, drugs the same, wrongful gun ownership and responsibility, using cell phones/texting while driving, ect. All terrible and should be addressed by responsible people regardless. Other tragedies that aren't really abuse's of privilege to use, or operate, but blatant violent crimes from gangs, and those that want to use fear and violence to get what they want and have zero respect for the law.
    It's going to take all of us to put down our doctrines and tackle these issues as concerned citizens with back bone & toughness.
    Heroin and gang indoctrination is prevalent in schools and a cancer to communities, needs to be cut out completely like my prostate was to prevent further damage.
    Peace and love, flowers and beads!!
     
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    How many people are shot in the United States by people using something other than a gun?
    Look, this whole issue is like a chain. Go for the easiest link to break the chain. Let's start with the low hanging fruit, background checks.
     
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    What's the easiest to control that would bring the most immediate effect?
     
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    Apparently his prostate.

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    I agree, we need an answer here.

    Well perhaps we can, when we have a proven truth in sight.
     
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    Why do you think the mass shooters are usually anti-social loners?
     
  14. MarAzul

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    I really would like to know. Even if they all have Aspergers, what else is going on? Certainly not all those that pass the Aspergers test will become mass shooters nor do all of them even need any treatment. Some do. So what is the difference? There are not answers to these questions.
     
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    Sure there are answers, we just have to study why its going on with this population. However, today's society won't allow that. Its automatically GUN CONTROL REPUBLICANS BAD while ignoring the real root causes altogether. Honestly, its probably the parents fault. They need to be examined as to their care and behavior patterns of taking care of their kids.

    You want to find out what's going on with school mass shootings, look at the mental disturbances of the shooters. I believe most are on the spectrum. Why? Many lack impulse control and empathy.

    If you want to find out what's going on with youth shootings in general look at the black youth community. 41%.
     
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  16. MarAzul

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    >>> Not until we do the study.

    >>> Correct study needed.

    >>> I suspect this is what would be found. Perhaps a little help from the rest of society too.

    >>>A study sure might help with some providing some help in proper nurturing.

    >>> Yes, but empathy ranges widely between the differing character types.

    >>>Not the same and study definitely needed here. The kids killing each other in shootouts on the streets is not even close to the same as the lone rogue white kid shooting up a school full of captive targets in a killing zone.
     
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    While true, this is a link in the chain that is difficult to deal with. In quality control we're taught to go for the low hanging fruit first.
     
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    For me: Stricter gun regulations - but no banning of hand guns and rifles
    We've got to do something about all the drugs entering easily...big time stiffer penalties for dealers, strengthen the border, declare war on Drugs ruining our families, jail doc's or Mfg's that curtail and abuse.
    I come out of the sixties and I know how drug use has contributed to the mentally handicapped
    Get tough on gang enforcement - they are nothing more than resident terrorist - book em danel
    Take communities that need assistance with gun violence and drug use and use the National Guard to assist with weeding out the hardcore gangs and dealers, also helping keep the peace if needed.
    Incentivize companies to establish jobs in these communities and focus on family and youth programs - strengthen families you strengthen the communities
     
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    Thats correct! Surgically done leaving all nerves intact. Virtually eliminating the cancer.
    Other options I had risked collateral damage to kidneys, bladder etc.
    If we continue to dink around addressing drugs, gangs & guns, its just metastasize's and continues to kill's.
    Nice to see Portlands Mayor wanting to address all the human waste on walkways and wherever by spending multiple millions on port-a potties.
    Maybe all portlanders should get typhoid shots!
     
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    Gun control isn't the low hanging fruit. That's going to be highly debated, is difficult to enact, and the results are dubious.

    Stepping up law enforcement efforts and campaigns to stop violence in the black community is the low hanging fruit.
     

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