over / under <u>overrated</u> AI Stephon KMart Yao KVH <u>Underrated</u> Brevin Knight Troy Murphy Bobby Simmons Elton Brand <u>stupid</u> Tim Thomas
What about Jrich being underrated? The guy can pass, score, post up, get steals, and rebound. He got left off the allstar balloting because he plays for a crappy team. Plus Yao, Pau being overrated... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that because there is a shortage of big men with inside scoring, these guys are hyped up to be the new Tim Duncans and Shaqs. Those are tough shoes to fill. Kmart being overrated is probably right. Jkidd makes him better and everyone better. I'd probably say Carmelo Anthony is pretty overrated but he's having a bad year and will probably be a great player once he learns how to be a team player and score within the flow of the game. He's a scorer and doesn't do much else and he's not great from 3 point land or on defense.
<u>Overrated</u> Marbury Antoine Walker I hate selfish players <u>Underrated</u> Bobby Simons Luke Ridnour Brevin Knight Marcus Camby
Antonie Walker is easily the most overrated player in my books. I was praying that Philadelphia didn't acquire him and they did a good job by not making that move to bring him here. Instead the Celtics got him, and I'm thrilled about that.
I think we should only have 3 Underatted/Overatted threads all year, 1 at the beginning of the year, one at the half way point, and 1 at the end of the year, because it get's repetitive. <u>Underatted</u> Elton Brand Bobby Simmons Joel Przybilla Shawn Marion Speedy Claxton Drew Gooden [a little] Mo Williams Brevin Knight Jason Richardson [this season people aren't noticing he's moving up, improved his passing and a little defensively] I was going to say Hughes, but everyone is giving him his props, so he's not really underatted. <u>Overatted</u> Stephon Marbury Antawn Jamison [a little] Chris Webber [a little] No one thinks Antione Walker is that good anymore, so he's not really overatted, everyone says he's a chucker who turns the ball over a lot and makes bad decisions, that's not really overatting.
There's always this one thing I don't get: How is Yao Ming overrated? Yeah, someone points out his All-Star votes, but so what? All-Star voting decides who the fans want to see, but not who they think is the best player in the league. I've always wanted to see Earl Boykins in the ASG, so I've written him in everytime I voted for the past few years. Does that mean I'm overrating his basketball ability though? No, I just want to see him play because he's entertaining to me. No one expects too much of Yao. Everyone knows that he will only give you 20/9 every night. No one is naming him as a MVP candidate, or expecting 30/15 from him each night. People say he didn't "deserve" to be named starting center in the West over Brad Miller, but that only proves that he is more popular than Miller. No one is saying he is the better player. The only people who overrate Yao are radical Yao fans, and it's unfair to label the guy as overrated when no one really overrates him. People are even predicting now that 19/9 might actually be the roof for his production. How is he overrated?
^I agree. Yao is not overrated.. I think Chris Bosh is underrated. Any player who's on the TO team is underrated...well, except for Vince Carter. But it kills me - people rave constantly about players like Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony, but CB4 is wayyy better than them. Watch any Raps game and you'll see. He's definitely the future of the Raptors franchise.
<u>Underrated</u> Elton Brand Bobby Simmons Larry Hughes Jason Richardson Maurice Williams <u>Overrated</u> Stephon Marbury Yao - He was expected too much of, he hasn't lived up to it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting raptors4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Chris Bosh is underrated. Any player who's on the TO team is underrated...well, except for Vince Carter. But it kills me - people rave constantly about players like Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony, but CB4 is wayyy better than them. Watch any Raps game and you'll see. He's definitely the future of the Raptors franchise.</div> Is that the only argument you are going to give ? That he is the future of the Raptors? Dude, watch any Heat game and you'll see that Wade is the future of the Heat franchise. CB4 is good, but not anywhere near Flash. Wade is better than him, Wade can score at will almost. He is also pretty clutch. Dwyane Wade 23.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 7.3 apg, 1.62 spg, 1.13 bpg, .479 FG%, .766 FT%, .235 3pt% Chris Bosh 16.2 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.8 apg, .91 spg, 1.24 bpg, .477 FG%, .726 FT%, .333 3pt% Look at the stats, Bosh barely has a rebounding edge over Wade...3 boards a game. That isn't good for a PF compared to a guard. He barely averages more blocked shots per game than Wade, which is also bad because Wade is a guard while Bosh is a PF. Bosh has a higher 3pt. %, but also takes way less 3 pt. shots than Wade does, so factor that into it. Wade is clearly the better player, and always will be IMO. You can even make an argument for Carmelo being better than Bosh. Carmelo has picked his game up recently and is playing great ball. He looks to be on track, Carmelo at the top of his game is better than Bosh at the top of his IMO.
I'm not going to argue. All I'm going to say is there's more to a player's talent than their statistics.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting raptors4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not going to argue. All I'm going to say is there's more to a player's talent than their statistics. </div> Why do you post then if you don't rebut posts? That is the point of a message board...express your opinion and DEFEND IT. There are more to a player's talents than stats. Wade has more talent than Bosh. Wade is a lot more athletic and has a lot more room to grow IMO. But you can't ignore that stats. For someone that is 6'10 and plays PF...3 more rebounds per game than a 6'4 guard isn't good. Then you talk about blocked shots, Bosh averages .11 more blocks per game than Wade. BOSH IS 6'10, he should be averaging a littlre more than .11 blocks a game than a 6'4 guard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao - He was expected too much of, he hasn't lived up to it.</div>Key word. Was. No one is expecting that much of him anymore.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^I agree. Yao is not overrated.. I think Chris Bosh is underrated. Any player who's on the TO team is underrated...well, except for Vince Carter. But it kills me - people rave constantly about players like Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony, but CB4 is wayyy better than them. Watch any Raps game and you'll see. He's definitely the future of the Raptors franchise.</div> As a Raptors fan myself, I wouldn't agree with that, Wade at this time is a better player than Bosh, at best Bosh is as good as Wade just because he's a big man, and good big men harder to fine than good perimeter players. He's a better scorer, can get to the line just just as well or better than Bosh, a better passer [he's a guard though], a much much better defender at his position, and probably the best slasher in the league. You might ask why I say he's the best slasher, well many players develop a jumpshot so that it opens up the floor for them to drive when they're played tight, but Wade only has a good jumpshot from about 18 feet, and he's still able to drive past people at will, even though they're playing him for the drive. Also have you seen how Wade's been playing while Shaq has been injured? 28 points | 52.6% FG | 10.3 FT Attempts | 7.7 assists | 3.7 turnovers | 3.0 steals, obviously most of us would expect his scoring to increase, but they've also lost their games by very very little margins [2 and 4 points], and they beat the Magic also.
Overrated --------- Yao Ming Underrated ---------- Kenny Thomas Bobby Simmons Andre Iguodala(he does better than some people will credit him for) Gerald Wallace Brevin Knight
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">As a Raptors fan myself, I wouldn't agree with that, Wade at this time is a better player than Bosh, at best Bosh is as good as Wade just because he's a big man, and good big men harder to fine than good perimeter players. He's a better scorer, can get to the line just just as well or better than Bosh, a better passer [he's a guard though], a much much better defender at his position, and probably the best slasher in the league. You might ask why I say he's the best slasher, well many players develop a jumpshot so that it opens up the floor for them to drive when they're played tight, but Wade only has a good jumpshot from about 18 feet, and he's still able to drive past people at will, even though they're playing him for the drive. Also have you seen how Wade's been playing while Shaq has been injured? 28 points | 52.6% FG | 10.3 FT Attempts | 7.7 assists | 3.7 turnovers | 3.0 steals, obviously most of us would expect his scoring to increase, but they've also lost their games by very very little margins [2 and 4 points], and they beat the Magic also.</div> Thank you. I see your point. But I still Bosh is better than Carmelo.
Overrated: Yao, AI, Starbury, and basically every other superstar like kobe lol Underrated: Loren Woods (I know but I really see something in this kid), Brevin Knight, Nenad Krstic, Ben Gordon, Dwyane Wade (I don't feel he gets nearly enough props)
How do you figure Kobe is overrated, but Wade is underrated? Wade is rated fine, he hasn't won anything, he has only been in the league for two years. I love the kid, he is great, but he is no where near underrated. He is perfectly fine where he is, he got his allstar nod, he gets recognition, he has earned a nickname, that is not underrated.
I mean you look at his stats, it's amazing that he can manage those stats with shaq, EJ, damon, and everyone else, IMO he's better then 'Bron because he's so efficent with the ball, but he has to share it with all these good people (haslim is also coming along very good but mostly plays off shaq also mourning can still play) I mean he has so much more better people on his team then bron but manages to get his stats. Wade is only the 2nd option. And you look at kobe, he always has the ball, you look at his stats yah sure a bunch of assists, but keep in mind he always has the ball in his hands, he doesn't let other people make plays....like the point the guard (even though they don't really have one). Kobe is alot like AI in my oppinion, if you always have the ball your stats are gonna be huge. And Bron, AI and Kobe are the first option. I also forgot to mention that kobe is so incredibly selfish compared to wade, all you have to do is compare the way kobe played with shaq and how wade plays with him. So everything doesn't revolve around stats IMO. It also matters how you affect your team.
Actually, about 3 weeks ago..Kobe stepped up and said that he wanted Lamar to be the main ball handler, but the coach didn't go with it until last game when assistant coach Brian Shaw suggested it. Kobe doesn't hold the ball as much as haters (I am not calling you a Kobe hater) think, they just want to find another reason to hate Kobe for. I agree though, Wade is great. Me, personally, would rather have him than Bron, I don't think he is better than Bron, but I like Wade more. Bron is a better 3 pt shooter, not by much, but he is. Also, Wade is the second option with Shaq, that means he is going to get points, just look at the past...Penny got his stats with Shaq, so did Kobe. I really don't think anyone thought that Wade wouldn't get his points and assists, just not as much as he is getting. Having Shaq has really helped him develop faster, but I still don't think he is underrated.
