As long as the ones who got into the capitol get properly punished and the sentators and that dumbass who was in that place being a fucking idiot gets prosecuted and held accountable....
I didn't say all of the protestors are 100% in the right. I did say that anybody who actively interferes with police should be arrested and charged as long as there is evidence (body cams). So your claims about my stance are 100% false. Which happens frequently with you. Then you wonder why people get frustrated with you... The one to one ratio suggestion is just silly. It's obviously not necessary.
If a police officer cannot get screamed at without lashing out physically they need to lose their job and never be allowed to carry a weapon for a living again.
and? Doesn't mean they still don't have to deal with it. Only a complete callous person would not see that cops are also human and see how difficult that can be. They didn't sign up for that.
The ratio thing isn't silly and again you didnt address it. If a plain clothes cop makes an arrest he is outed. You think he can continue being undercover make more arrests? If not, you need an undercover cop for each person breaking the law, correct? How is that silly? Explain please.... people get frustrated with me because they have double standards i call out and they cant handle it. Much like you. Cops should hold their own accountable. But im okay with allowing protestors to protect criminals and make it harder for cops to do their job. Im sorry it frustrates you so, that i point out holes in your stance and you get mad instead of look at it from the other side. I cant control your anger or frustrations. Thats for you to handle. Pawning your issues off on me like you try to do with everything else ( make excuses for criminals) isnt gonna fly with me. Excuses excuses excuses. get out of the way and let the cops do their jobs. Cameras or no cameras, or your also a criminal. Period. you can continue to try to belittle me instead of just have a conversation about the details of your position that have holes. And again, dont think they have holes or you would have answered my questions about dea and other city using drones to capture vandals. Instead of getting frustrated because you dont have these answers, maybe just admit your stance isnt foolproof. i mean its really not a compelling argument from you that i frustrate you yet you cant answer the questions being asked... Ill leave you and your frustrations be, as that tells me you will not answer the questions and will only continue to belittle me. You say i don't read yet, you continually dismiss half of my posts including the questions, and continually make it about me. When i respond in kind, you will claim I'm a drama queen or something. This scene has been played out many times. You have quite the double standards sir. Say what you want. Its gonna be taken with a grain of salt until you get past the personal issues and just answer the questions being asked of your ideas. I understand when someone questions your ideas it can be taken personally for those not mature enough to understand their opinion is just an opinion and may be questioned. Your inability to handle your ideas being questioned, ANSWER the questions without belittling, is a huge red flag... or should i say white flag.....
And again, you're still painting me with a stance I don't have, then telling me I have a double standard. It's like conversing with a child... No, you would not need a police officer for every crime. Who cares if some people recognize a police officer? They aren't going to attack them. And if they did they'd get arrested. With video evidence, and be held as the criminal they are. How am I ok with allowing protestors to protect criminals when I have said specifically, on multiple occasions, that police should arrest anybody who interferes WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE, so they can actually be charged? Again, you giving me a position that I don’t have so that you can think you're somehow making a legitimate case. You're not. None of your positions frustrate me, other than you flat out lying about my positions, then whining when I call you on it. Again, it's like conversing with a child. "Boo hoo! Why do you have to be so mean?" is not something to be proud of when somebody calls you on being dishonest. I don't pay the protestors. I pay the police. The only thing we can do to change the behavior of protestors is arrest the ones who break the law, and make sure we have enough evidence that they are charged and kept in jail. The way we do that is to make sure the police are doing their job. By refusing to wear body cameras Portland Police are doing less than every other major city to gather evidence, then you're in here whining about how the people they arrest keep getting let go. This is childish. The police are the authority, with the responsibility to gather evidence. They are the ones to hold accountable for the lack of evidence they are providing. Blaming criminals for committing crime when police refuse to gather evidence is insane. Blaming citizens for being unable to stop criminals from committing crime when the police refuse to gather evidence is insane. You are literally making things up so you don't have to deal with reality of your poor stance, then whining when being called on it. Of course you want to exit the conversation. You can't continue the conversation without making up more lies about my position. The problem is you're so disillusioned in your support of obviously bad policy (hence the bootlicking remark) that you can't handle the idea that you've been so wrong so often.
Then they signed up under false pretenses. We definitely need to work on our police recruiting and hiring process. As I've said before, that is definitely part of the solution.
I have retired family and my wife, that spent 40 plus years in both teaching & local law enforcement. The tier 1 PERS for that long is very substantial. The unions, imo, are part of the problem when it comes to job performance, as tenure and solidarity take precedent over actual job improved performance. Both cops and teachers that do the basics, and some that under perform, are protected, and those that excel and offer more in performance results are treated the same. No incentives for superb achievement, all based on tenure.
jesus. You cant go one paragraph without belittling. You cant provide quality answers for the questions asked. End of story.... unless you care to continue to spin cirlces, not address the questions ive had and just continue to make it about me instead of your stances and my wuestions about them. your right it is like dealing with a child who simply cant answer questions without getting frustrated and become insulting. Your whole post needs one of these: a mirror for you to look into. you cant handle your opinion being questioned. Period. but then call others children. Just wow.... i AM going to exit the conversation now. And you can think what you want, but ill let you know its becuase you are simply unable to have a respectful discussion when your opinions are questioned. Proof is in the posts. You cant come up with an answer for my rebuttal to your idea other than to insult me. its okay though. I forgive you.
Quit lying about my position and I'll quit calling you out for it. Very simple. Any specific question related to anything I've actually said or a stance I've actually taken I'm happy to answer.
Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. The institutions we have put in place to ensure a well trained and properly motivated police force are failing. In doing so we are getting a less effective police force. These institutional failings need to be addressed. Which is exactly what the protests are about.
If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck... so you want me to go back and recopy and paste all the questions you didnt answer??? Talk about a cop out man. Lol. Im not interested in repeating the questions you avoided the first time. They are all up in my posts. remove the red and you will see them.
I've already answered any of your legit questions. If you don't want to pick the legit questions from the lies just stop lying. Pretty simple.
your right. Quack quack. Pretty simple. Cop out. Pretty funny though. You cant address my points, one of which that they all wear the same attire and wear masks, so a camera cant identify anyone without someone physically removing the mask. you said undercover coos with cameras. I posed the issue with that and you said its silly. its not. cops are not going to go undercover in a riot without knowing they have backup and be safe. Yes, as a cop i would not trust the crowd to not attack. Have you not seen what happened at the white house? Civilians while raging, can kill cops. So while you play your “silly opinion” game. Im bringing a real legit potential scenario you deem silly even though it has happened!!! I laid out my timeline scenario of your take vs mine as a criminal and how fast they can smash and run. You never addressed it and continued your quacking. you are right. It is pretty simple. Quack quack. I asked you to show me any local police force who uses drones to capture vandals as you say. You haven't provided shit. You said it doesnt cost money, but Flying planes costs money. Fuel. Etc. the forcecis already over budget while looking at funding cuts. Yet you want them to spend more money to observe from a distance. wheres the money come from? You never addressed that. You just said its not expensive. I said if so, how come not all cities do it? You dismissed that. You posted one link going after NONMASKED drug dealers. From the dea. Not local police force. Apples to oranges. Drug dealers arent all dressed the same, masked and in large crowds. your examples simply don't fly because they are not the same. You have dismissed the legit questions above as silly and you want to be taken seriously???? quack quack. Its Actually extremely simple. i asked you questions and posed my opinion of holes in your opinion. You deemed my opinion silly aNd not worthy of answering. That is nothing other than a straight up cop out. Zero respect for that shit...... or i could go down your road and just say you are just silly and are just some internet dude on a forum all day saying shit like he knows how to run a police force better than anyone else. Why are you online typing your opinions all day then? Why arent you out there running for commissioner? your ideas as sooo foolproof aNd anyone who thinks differently is just silly, hell you have all the answers! Id vote for you! Why dont you get off your ass, go downtown and assert your vast knowledge, so superior to all the other silly opinions and get some shit done then?? stop typing what should be done and go make it happen if its so easy. Yeah... didnt think so... its just easy to sit at the computer spat off your opinions as the only ones correct snd dismiss any other as silly. Not sure ive ever run into such arrogance.... Now que your response... “your silly and a liar. Your not legit....” Lol.
If you have the act on video, and keep the perp on video all the way until the arrest and demasking it doesn't matter what they wear. This isn't a movie like "Now You See Me". Slightly different crowd here. In a year of protesting I have yet to see a shamen with handcuffs trying to find a vegan sacrifice... Once again, it doesn't matter if it's all on video... Here's a city with the funds to fly a plane... Oh look, it's Portland. Now imagine if they had the body cams (which have been authorized and funded) to bring the whole picture together. https://www.kgw.com/article/news/in...ests/283-1aab235b-092f-4430-ab17-632e8fb7c8a7 And you obviously didn't pay much attention to that link I sent about overhead surveillance, because the video isn't high enough resolution to see a face anyway. But it was used as evidence to catch and convict theives, murderers, etc when combined with video on the ground. LOL. I'm not diplomatic enough to be a successful politician, I'm too honest. But thanks for the vote of confidence. You're making the case that none of this is important enough to get on video, yet you've been in here complaining about it all year?
