There's no way Gary Payton or Steve Nash is higher then Jason Kidd. Magic Isaih ThomasOscarJohn StocktonJason Kidd Kid may not of one the MVP thropy like Nash did but that still doesn't mean anything talent wize. Kidd in his prime was a much better all around player if you ask me. I think Nash has been overrated ever since he got to the Suns.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Oct 31 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow are you out of your mind?1. Magic2. Oscar3. Isiah Thomas4. John Stockton (Still debatable for number 3)5. Gary PaytonThen we have Walt Frazier, Bob Cousy, and Kidd. Nash isn't up there, he is top ten though.</div>anyone with more mvps than all but one of them is up there - believe me<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Oct 31 2006, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Paul Pierce- Other than Celtics fans no one seems to really appreciate what Pierce does for the franchise. He is loyal to the team, consistently healthey, very versatile, etc.Ron Artest- People need to start appreciating this guys play more. Yes he was a headache for the Pacers but the guy is arguably the best defender in the league and is also a 20 ppg threat.Kobe Bryant- People need to stop looking for things wrong with Kobe and need to start appreciating his game. Kobee is the best player in the world right now and one of the greatest players of all time. He's the best scorer we have seen since MJ and is also a very good perimeter defender. The guy proved last year he is unguardable and unstoppable and made history last season.</div>I appreciate paul peirce
And you believe the Suns fan. Nash is borderline top 10 right now. Kidd has definitely had the better career so far.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 31 2006, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>anyone with more mvps than all but one of them is up there - believe meI appreciate paul peirce</div>Dude Nash is not top 5 of all time. Are you seriously that stupid when it comes to basketball. How are you gonna call someone top 5 of all time based on two successful seasons. Plus Jkidd is extremely more versatile than Nash especially on defense. Nash isn't even top 10 all time yet. I usually don't try to insult members much but are yiu really that stupid? I would think it's obvious that by saying "other than Celtics fans no one seems to appreciate Pierce" that I don't literally mean nobody.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Nov 1 2006, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude Nash is not top 5 of all time. Are you seriously that stupid when it comes to basketball. How are you gonna call someone top 5 of all time based on two successful seasons. Plus Jkidd is extremely more versatile than Nash especially on defense. Nash isn't even top 10 all time yet. I usually don't try to insult members much but are yiu really that stupid? I would think it's obvious that by saying "other than Celtics fans no one seems to appreciate Pierce" that I don't literally mean nobody.</div>1 - magic2 - nash3 - the restmvps^
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 1 2006, 04:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1 - magic2 - nash3 - the restmvps^</div>WOW that had to be the best post I have ever seen. That was some great evidence you just used to backup your opinions. I now totally agree with you. You really are becoming a top poster here :HAHAHA: LMAO dude you are a joke. Watch some basketball for once especially especially games from the '80s and '90s. You have no idea what you are talking about and once again you just used no reasoning to backup an incredibly stupid opinion. Winning 2 MVPs does not make you a top 5 PG of all time. There is a lot more to being great other than MVPs, stats, etc. and you don't seem to get that. I can't blame you though since you obviously dn't even watch basketball. You really have nothing else to base your tiny amount of knowledge on when you post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Nov 1 2006, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WOW that had to be the best post I have ever seen. That was some great evidence you just used to backup your opinions. I now totally agree with you. You really are becoming a top poster here :HAHAHA: LMAO dude you are a joke. Watch some basketball for once especially especially games from the '80s and '90s. You have no idea what you are talking about and once again you just used no reasoning to backup an incredibly stupid opinion. Winning 2 MVPs does not make you a top 5 PG of all time. There is a lot more to being great other than MVPs, stats, etc. and you don't seem to get that. I can't blame you though since you obviously dn't even watch basketball. You really have nothing else to base your tiny amount of knowledge on when you post.</div>look, an mvp is most valuable playeralthough there's no question that many of these point guards are very, very valuable, nash has won two most valuable players, beating non point guards as well for the awardbtw - steve nash has also changed the way the game is played now. more teams look to run and gun. jkidd never changed the game like that. there are only a few players who can say they changed the way the game is played (jordan, magic, shaq...). all of these players are in the elite company of their respective posstions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1 - magic2 - nash3 - the restmvps^</div>1. Magic Johnson2. John Stockton3. Isiah Thomas4. Walt Frazier5. Jerry West6. Bob Cousy7. Steve NashHe is 7th on my list.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 1 2006, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>look, an mvp is most valuable playeralthough there's no question that many of these point guards are very, very valuable, nash has won two most valuable players, beating non point guards as well for the awardbtw - steve nash has also changed the way the game is played now. more teams look to run and gun. jkidd never changed the game like that. there are only a few players who can say they changed the way the game is played (jordan, magic, shaq...). all of these players are in the elite company of their respective posstions.</div>Dude there is more to being a great player than MVP but you obviously don't get that so I'm not getting into that.LMAO at your last comment! Are you really that stupid! That is honestly think that it was Steve Nash's idea for the Suns run and gun style of play they use? If so that is honestlly the funniest thing you have ever said here. I wasn't aware that Steve Nash is the manager of the team. Mike D'Antoni is the one you can thank for that buddy. Since your probably to stupid to know, that is their head coach btw. Mike D'Antoni is the one who has them play this offense and Steve nash runs it. I have no idea why you would even think Steve Nash decides what style the team plays.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Nov 1 2006, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude there is more to being a great player than MVP but you obviously don't get that so I'm not getting into that.LMAO at your last comment! Are you really that stupid! That is honestly think that it was Steve Nash's idea for the Suns run and gun style of play they use? If so that is honestlly the funniest thing you have ever said here. I wasn't aware that Steve Nash is the manager of the team. Mike D'Antoni is the one you can thank for that buddy. Since your probably to stupid to know, that is their head coach btw. Mike D'Antoni is the one who has them play this offense and Steve nash runs it. I have no idea why you would even think Steve Nash decides what style the team plays.</div>without steve nash, d'antonio might as well be speaking to a brick wall
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>look, an mvp is most valuable playeralthough there's no question that many of these point guards are very, very valuable, nash has won two most valuable players, beating non point guards as well for the awardbtw - steve nash has also changed the way the game is played now. more teams look to run and gun. jkidd never changed the game like that.there are only a few players who can say they changed the way the game is played (jordan, magic, shaq...). all of these players are in the elite company of their respective posstions.</div>Steve Nash is becoming overrated, He plays with the best 2nd and 3rd options in the league and he still never made it to the NBA Finals. He was lucky enough to play with the kind of players he does.Did you know Steve Nash gets his passes stolen more than any other player in the entire league?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 1 2006, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve Nash is becoming overrated, He plays with the best 2nd and 3rd options in the league and he still never made it to the NBA Finals. He was lucky enough to play with the kind of players he does.Did you know Steve Nash gets his passes stolen more than any other player in the entire league?</div>Well he does pass it more than any other player in the league but I agree he's being overrated. I love the guy but even you are being generous. I think he's just barely in the top 10 and if you take all the previous Suns point guards in their primes I only have him at #3. Nash has only had 2 really good season's so far.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 1 2006, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve Nash is becoming overrated, He plays with the best 2nd and 3rd options in the league and he still never made it to the NBA Finals. He was lucky enough to play with the kind of players he does.Did you know Steve Nash gets his passes stolen more than any other player in the entire league?</div>only because he passes about 4 times as much as anyone in the league and about 1,000,000,000,0000 times more than kobe
I was just throwing that out there, If you watch Steve Nash play you will notice he seems to just throw the ball around without caution.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 1 2006, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>only because he passes about 4 times as much as anyone in the league and about 1,000,000,000,0000 times more than kobe</div>You realize Kobe averaged about 4.5 apg last season right? He's made out to be way more of a ballhog than he really is imo. 4.5 apg with no great offensive player to dish it out to on that team isn't that bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Nov 1 2006, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You realize Kobe averaged about 4.5 apg last season right? He's made out to be way more of a ballhog than he really is imo. 4.5 apg with no great offensive player to dish it out to on that team isn't that bad.</div>now how do we know there's no great offensive player on that team other than kobe? because he shoots 30 shots a night? because he only passes when he's triple teamed?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 1 2006, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was just throwing that out there, If you watch Steve Nash play you will notice he seems to just throw the ball around without caution.</div>he may throw the ball around but many more times than not the ball ends up in a teamate's hands for an easy basket
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>now how do we know there's no great offensive player on that team other than kobe? because he shoots 30 shots a night? because he only passes when he's triple teamed?</div>No, you have it twisted. He takes 30 shots a night because he has to. Nobody else on that team besides Odom can get it going on the offensive end.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 1 2006, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>now how do we know there's no great offensive player on that team other than kobe? because he shoots 30 shots a night? because he only passes when he's triple teamed?</div>Actually maybe based on where they have played previously. Lamar Odom was never a big threat on offense in Miami even when he was the main perosn in Miami, Smush Parker got better when he came to the Lakers so you can't say Kobe hurt him, Kwame Brown was never much of an offensive player at all in Washington, and Chris Mihm's ppg also went up since coming to LA and he was always just a 6 ppg scorer before LA. Once again horrible reasoning buddy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 1 2006, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Magic Johnson2. John Stockton3. Isiah Thomas4. Walt Frazier5. Jerry West6. Bob Cousy7. Steve NashHe is 7th on my list.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Steve Nash is becoming overrated, He plays with the best 2nd and 3rd options in the league and he still never made it to the NBA Finals. He was lucky enough to play with the kind of players he does.</div>You are contradicting yourself here Tony. You are putting Nash above Payton and Kidd.I still think that the Glove is better than Jason Kidd. Both were great defensively, even though Payton has a little edge. Jason Kidd was the better rebounder, but Payton was the better scorer, and could take over a game better than Kidd. Kidd has an edge now, since Payton is old.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You are contradicting yourself here Tony. You are putting Nash above Payton and Kidd.</div>Not really, Im talking about the people who have them on there top 5 or 3 all time lists.
