<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">Elton Brands never gets recognized and he is a 20 10 player in the NBA,I think he could maybe be on the all star team now that somebody will need to fill in Shaqs place.</div> Ya Elton Brand reallt deserves to be in the all-star game. I think he will take Shaqs place because one year Shaq was injured and Elton BRand was replacing him. He would be a much deservingg canditate.
Ok...I'm just going to respond to a few things here, seeing as how it seems I've missed a little bit in the last page or so. Ok, Vince Carter, is by no means, underrated. To me, he's overrated. The guys team doesn't win. He's always injured. To the one who said he's the most clutch player in the NBA, there's a guy out in LA named Kobe Bryant, you should watch some of his highlights occasionally. I guarantee he has more game winning shots than Vince Carter ever will have. Partially cause his team was always at least in position to at least have a shot at winning the game, and partially cause he's healthy 95% of the time. And you say Carter is more unselfish than Kobe. Yea, that's why Carter averages under 4 assists per game, though Kobe only averages 4.3, his last 4 seasons he's averaged 5 or more, where as Carter has never averaged 5 assists in a season. So, by saying that pass isn't in Kobe's vocab is crap, cause he's led the Lakers in assists on a consistent basis over the last few seasons. So, PASS is obviously in Kobe's vocab. I think the last thing I'll touch with Vince Carter is, he is not the best offensive player in the game today. Kobe is far better. He has the ability to create and he can hit even the most impossible shots. Plus, over the last few years, his 3 point shot is getting better. Not to mention that Kobe is also a phenomenal passer and is clutch. So, no way is Vince better than Kobe on offense or defense, as Kobe is a 2 time 1st Team All NBA Defense, and how many is Vince? Last I checked it was 0. See, it's people that say things like this that bug me. They overrate Vince, saying many things like what Kevinduncan said. Best offensive player in the game, unslefish, most clutch. No to all those. Vince Carter fans need to get out and watch someone else. You'll see that there are better offensive players in the game, you'd see that Kobe is the best clutch player in the league today, etc. Ok, my rant is done now. I just wanted to say this about Vince, cause, his name and underrated should never be in the same sentence unless it's saying how underrated he isn't. Ok, now I'm done.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok...I'm just going to respond to a few things here, seeing as how it seems I've missed a little bit in the last page or so. Ok, Vince Carter, is by no means, underrated. To me, he's overrated. The guys team doesn't win. He's always injured. To the one who said he's the most clutch player in the NBA, there's a guy out in LA named Kobe Bryant, you should watch some of his highlights occasionally. I guarantee he has more game winning shots than Vince Carter ever will have. Partially cause his team was always at least in position to at least have a shot at winning the game, and partially cause he's healthy 95% of the time. And you say Carter is more unselfish than Kobe. Yea, that's why Carter averages under 4 assists per game, though Kobe only averages 4.3, his last 4 seasons he's averaged 5 or more, where as Carter has never averaged 5 assists in a season. So, by saying that pass isn't in Kobe's vocab is crap, cause he's led the Lakers in assists on a consistent basis over the last few seasons. So, PASS is obviously in Kobe's vocab. I think the last thing I'll touch with Vince Carter is, he is not the best offensive player in the game today. Kobe is far better. He has the ability to create and he can hit even the most impossible shots. Plus, over the last few years, his 3 point shot is getting better. Not to mention that Kobe is also a phenomenal passer and is clutch. So, no way is Vince better than Kobe on offense or defense, as Kobe is a 2 time 1st Team All NBA Defense, and how many is Vince? Last I checked it was 0. See, it's people that say things like this that bug me. They overrate Vince, saying many things like what Kevinduncan said. Best offensive player in the game, unslefish, most clutch. No to all those. Vince Carter fans need to get out and watch someone else. You'll see that there are better offensive players in the game, you'd see that Kobe is the best clutch player in the league today, etc. Ok, my rant is done now. I just wanted to say this about Vince, cause, his name and underrated should never be in the same sentence unless it's saying how underrated he isn't. Ok, now I'm done.</div> Its clear you dont watch raptor games from your comments.. Carter passes way more than kobe... your counting assists... keep in mind kobes teammates finish... whos carter have to finish a play, rose? Everyone on raptors is very inconcsistant... many passes are not finished by the raptors... anyway thats the reason why he avg's such low assists.. (if your a raptors fan you may recall during the season when the team shot over 48% carter averaged 8 assists). Carter has had a lot of game winning shots, me personally think its the stupidest thing in the world... a gamewinning shot or a normal shot.. exact same.. when I play ball and I get the last shot you feel the pressure but still just know.. if you can hit it during the game, its no different. I do not think kobe is the most clutch player today... I believe carter is far more clutch... ppl say that he is very clutch now because of those 2 shots in one game... u wont ever see him do it again... it was a dash, he barely got a look at the net.. that was no different than a half court buzzer beater through the legs that miraculously banks in. Shows no skill at all... what nba player couldnt make the rim? luckily kobe made the net. (LUCKILY). Carter is by far a better shooter from behind the arc. The reason hes not on the NBA teams is because he is underrated.... Pass is not in kobes vocab... there are basic drops down to the post for shaq... yao ming could get as many assists.. Sorry if i may seem ignorant But im done.
I think Magette, Brand, JJ and even Ray Allen. I mean he's an All Star calibre player but doesn't deserve the attention players like Kobe get. Magette and Brand coz they play on the Clips! And JJ, well I don't know why...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Pass is not in kobes vocab... there are basic drops down to the post for shaq</div>Kobe doesn't have that much teammates to pass to other than Shaq, if Kobe passed to others and they made the shot, kobe would be averaging around 8 assists a game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter has had a lot of game winning shots, me personally think its the stupidest thing in the world... a gamewinning shot or a normal shot.. exact same.. when I play ball and I get the last shot <u>you feel the pressure</u> but still just know..</div> thank you. you just answered it right there. when you take the game winning shot, there is a lot more pressure being given by a defender rather than taking a normal jump shot. And we are not talking about you, so why would you talk about you taking the last shot, because you are not in the NBA, you don't know the pressure Kobe or Vince feels, when all the fans are counting on you. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I do not think kobe is the most clutch player today... I believe carter is far more clutch </div> what??? how is carter more clutch than Kobe, in fact "far more clutch"? You have to keep in mind that Kobe has made more clutch shots than the two in portland, a lot more. I have to admit, Carter is a clutch player, probably top 5, but in now way he is as clutch as Kobe. Clutch is also based solely on shooting, but on defense too. In a lot of games, Kobe will put pressure on the offense and likely steal the ball in crunch time, make them take a bad shot, make them pass up the ball or even block a few shots( lakers vs. magic - Tmac gets blocked by Kobe, or all-star game - Kobe blocks J.O'neal and Michael Jordan). Vince has made some defensive plays in crunch time, but the keyword is <u>some,</u> probably a handful or two. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> kobe made the net </div>this may not count, but sometimes to be clutch you need luck.
Carters defence near the end of a game surpasses kobes by far... I'm sorry if i seem ignorant lol but i watch both teams very close... carter has blocked more potential game wining shots this season than kobe has in his career.. and thats a fact. All-star game doesnt count.. people play stupid .. (ex. shaq brings up the ball at the point) so if your gonna credit kobe for a shot liek the ones in portland... those 2 shouldnt count because.. he cant do it again if there was no defender... lol it was that rediculous.
Trenton Hassel: he has amazing defense, but not that many teams see that.he also can shoot around the court too. but if u take it back to game 7 timberwolves - kings look how small hassel compared to pega. sure pega scored a bit, but thats when he was open.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Carters defence near the end of a game surpasses kobes by far </div>your right about one thing, that was ignorant. Vince Carter is not as good as Kobe on defense, especially in crunch time, that is why Kobe is on the all-defensive team and carter is not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">All-star game doesnt count.. people play stupid .. (ex. shaq brings up the ball at the point)</div> I'm talking about the second half, where it gets serious and the competition level is real high, mainly the 4th (that is where Kobe got the blocks I was talking about)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Fundamentals:</div><div class="quote_post">your right about one thing, that was ignorant. Vince Carter is not as good as Kobe on defense, especially in crunch time, that is why Kobe is on the all-defensive team and carter is not. I'm talking about the second half, where it gets serious and the competition level is real high, mainly the 4th (that is where Kobe got the blocks I was talking about)</div> I understand one thing about you vince carter is not a very good defense throughout the game, but in the clutch vince carter wil do anything....did u see that block on JASON TERRYY...his head was over the rim or Antonio Davis! But if u dont watch raptor games, then last years all-star game when he blocked Tim Duncan shot to forced the game into overtime!
Another underated player is Kenny Thomas for the Sixers,he is a double double threat every game even though he is undersized at the PF postion. Also Kenny Thomas usally picks up the scoring load when AI is out,he also was clutch in a few games hiting game tie-ing three's to send the game to OT,and then in overtime he made the GW bucket on a tip back.
for the last time, vince is good on defense in crunch time, just not as good as Kobe. I never said Vince was was <u>not</u> a clutch player or that he wasn't that good on Defense in crunch time, i'm just saying Kobe is better than him in those categories.
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Here is my list. 1. Micheal Redd (People were even saying he shouldnt have been on the all-star team until he played good in that game) 2. Andre Kirelinko 3. Gilbert Arenas And about that Vince Carter argument you guys are having, I am going to have to jump in, Vince Carter is way over-rated. You guys are talking about him being clutch, where was that when he missed that shot agianst Philly in the ECF. Also, how come the Raptors play better when he is injured?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting s@bz:</div><div class="quote_post">Here is my list. 1. Micheal Redd (People were even saying he shouldnt have been on the all-star team until he played good in that game) 2. Andre Kirelinko 3. Gilbert Arenas And about that Vince Carter argument you guys are having, I am going to have to jump in, Vince Carter is way over-rated. You guys are talking about him being clutch, where was that when he missed that shot agianst Philly in the ECF. Also, how come the Raptors play better when he is injured?</div> wow! one shot... maybe u should talk more about the shots he made more than the ones he missed! I havent seen AI do anything clutch so far!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kevinduncan_21:</div><div class="quote_post">I havent seen AI do anything clutch so far!</div> No, he just won the 2000-2001 MVP and scoring title.
he won MVP cuz he scored a lot plus he was winnin. and u have to also remember they one of the best defensive teams and mutumbo was the back bone....without him they wouldnt have went to the finals!
