Politics mUELLER iNDICTMENTS

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  1. Chris Craig

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    MAAAA! There is a weird fucking cat out here

    Its ok Lucy

    Blink motherfucka

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    I don't know who is more fucked in the head - the people who make these stories up, or the smooth bore nitwits who believe them.
     
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    I was dying.

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    lol. Maris is scared.
     
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    Looks like Mueller will be forced to indict his own star witness for lying to a grand jury.

    New Text Messages May Pose A Problem For Mueller Probe Witness

    11:30 AM 11/15/2018 | US
    Chuck Ross | Reporter


    Roger Stone released bombshell text messages on Wednesday that appear to support his claims that Randy Credico was his source for statements he made during the 2016 campaign about WikiLeaks.

    • The messages severely undercut Credico’s denials that he was a source or back channel for Stone, a Trump confidant.
    • Credico has said in numerous interviews over the past year that he was not Stone’s link to WikiLeaks.
    The New York radio host linked to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has repeatedly denied over the past year that he was a back channel to Roger Stone in direct contradiction to text messages revealed on Wednesday.


    Randy Credico has said in numerous interviews that he was not a source for Stone, a longtime political operative, about WikiLeaks’ plans to release emails damaging to the Clinton campaign. Credico has also said that he made those denials during an appearance before Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury on Sept. 7.


    “I have no idea some of the things I may have said to him, but certainly did not pass any information from [WikiLeaks founder] Julian Assange to Roger Stone,” Credico said in a March 21 interview with MSNBC’s Ari Melber.


    Credico’s denials have seemingly put Stone in legal jeopardy because of the longtime Trump confidant’s public claims and congressional testimony that Credico confirmed to him before the 2016 election that WikiLeaks would be releasing information damaging to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Stone has maintained for over a year that he had an intermediary — Credico — who told him to expect a WikiLeaks release that would “roil” the campaign.


    Stone said that he never had contact with Assange and did not know the content or source of the information. (RELATED: Bombshell Text Messages Back Roger Stone’s Claims About Wikileaks Back Channel)


    WikiLeaks began releasing emails stolen from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta on Oct. 7, 2016.


    Text messages that Stone released on Wednesday severely undercut Credico’s denials and raise questions about whether he faces any legal jeopardy of his own.


    “Julian Assange has kryptonite on Hillary Clinton,” Credico wrote to Stone on Aug. 27, 2016.


    The messages, which Stone’s legal team obtained through forensic work on an old cell phone, also show that Credico asked Stone not to reveal him as his source for the information.


    “Just remember do not name me as your connection to Assange you had one before that you referred to,” Credico said on Sept. 18, 2016.


    And on Sept. 29, 2016, he wrote: “You are not going to drag my name into this are you.”


    Credico, a radio host and comedian Stone has known for 16 years, also said that his grand jury testimony was consistent with his public denials.


    “I definitely was not a back channel to Julian Assange, if there was even a back channel to Julian Assange,” he said on CNN after his testimony.


    “And you said that under oath today?” CNN’s Kate Bolduan asked.


    “Yes,” said Credico.



    When asked why Stone would claim that Credico was his link to Wikileaks, Credico deflected.


    “You know, you’re going to have to ask him that. I’m sure he will be out in full force with a lot of his friends … some of these alt-right guys will be coming out attacking me for throwing cold water all over this Stone narrative,” he said.

    Credico also expressed confidence that he was not in legal jeopardy and that Mueller’s team did not believe that he was Stone’s back channel.


    “I doubt that they thought that I was,” he said, adding, “I think I’ll be fine. I didn’t do anything wrong.”


    “I gave honest answers,” Credico said. “I was not in a position to perjure myself today … I was not going to subject myself to perjury.”


    Credico’s attorney, Martin Stolar, said his client is standing by his public statements about Stone.


    “We stand on prior public statements and decline, as always, to discuss specific Grand Jury testimony,” he told TheDCNF.


    Stolar declined to comment on the authenticity of the text messages.


    When asked if Credico doubts the authenticity of the text messages, Stolar responded: “No comment.”


    “We don’t trust the source or the misleading context but nothing changes Mr. Credico’s position,” he said.


    While Credico appeared before the Mueller grand jury after being subpoenaed, he has pleaded the Fifth in order to avoid testifying to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.


    On Feb. 19, Credico denied Stone’s claim by saying that it was unthinkable that Assange would share information with him about WikiLeaks’ plans.


    “It’s not even reasonable to assume that Assange somehow would give material to me to give to Roger Stone,” Credico told The Daily Beast. “What purpose? The guy operates in secrecy, that’s his whole deal.”


    “He’s certainly not going to tip off someone like me, who is a noted big mouth,” he added. “I have loose lips and I sink ships, that’s my reputation. I can’t keep a secret.”


    But Credico’s text messages suggest that he obtained some information about WikiLeaks’ efforts from Margaret Ratner Kunstler, a lawyer who works for WikiLeaks. Credico referred to Kunstler as one of his “best friends.


    Stone has long insisted that Kunstler, rather than Assange, was Credico’s source of information about Wikileaks’ plans.


    In a March 21 interview with MSNBC’s Ari Melber, Credico said he “certainly did not” pass information from Assange to Stone.


    “Do you ever carry messages from Julian Assange about what he might plan to do or the nature of his work to other people anywhere else in the world?” Melber asked.


    “No. Absolutely not. I totally deny,” said Credico. “I have no idea some of the things I may have said to him, but certainly did not pass any information from Julian Assange to Roger Stone.”


    Credico left open the possibility that he confirmed information for Stone, but said he would have done so only after WikiLeaks released information.


    “Maybe I confirmed it after it came out. If he asked me, is that true, what already came out, is it true, I would say to him, check WikiLeaks’ Web site,” he said. “I never did confirm something like that. I never said hey, Roger, this is coming out in a few days.”


    But the Credico-Stone exchanges show that Credico did give Stone a heads up days before WikiLeaks planned to release Clinton documents.


    ig news Wednesday,” Credico wrote on Oct. 1, 2016, days before WikiLeaks began releasing emails stolen from Podesta. “Now pretend u don’t know me.”


    “Hillary’s campaign will die this week,” he added.


    Credico also appeared to know details of a press conference that Assange planned to give in early October 2016.


    “There will be an announcement but not on the balcony,” wrote Credico, an apparent reference to the balcony at the Ecuadoran embassy in London where Assange lives under asylum.



    Credico also denied claims Stone made on his personal website on March 9.


    “From the end of July through August until the end of September, Credico insisted Assange was about to publish this material on the Democrats which Randy described as devastating to Hillary,” wrote Stone.


    MSNBC’s Melber quoted Stone’s claims and asked: “Is that true or false?”


    “False,” said Credico.


    Credico also denied Stone’s claims during a June 25 interview with YouTube host Jimmy Dore.


    “You did not relay any information between Julian Assange and Roger Stone, that part is not true, correct?” Dore asked.


    “Absolutely. I did not,” said Credico.


    It is unclear if Credico faces any legal jeopardy from his inconsistent statements. Mueller’s grand jury has recently heard testimony from two witnesses who backed up Stone’s claims about Credico.


    A Stone attorney, Tyler Nixon, testified on Nov. 2 that he was at a dinner in mid-November 2017 where Credico acknowledged being Stone’s back channel. Nixon told TheDCNF that Credico expressed concern that being identified as Stone’s source would upset his left-leaning friends.


    A filmmaker who has worked with Stone and Credico, David Lugo, testified on Oct. 19 that Credico told him on May 12, 2017, that he was a source for Stone.
     
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    Mueller has already been forced to indict a lot of people. I'm sure another one won't bother him any.

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    When do you think his investigation will wrap up?

    Do you think he will find Trump guilty of obstruction and/or collusion?
     
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    If not prematurely terminated, the investigation will run at least another year, maybe more.

    Mueller doesn't have the power to find Trump guilty, or even to indict him. But my best guess is that Trump will be an unindicted co-conspirator on the collusion. Obstruction of justice is pretty obvious without even knowing what Mueller knows. But whether he can be impeached and convicted for it (and/or for collusion)? Dunno, it's completely a political question, in that it depends on whether the Senate Republicans want to keep him, or would rather have Pence.

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    Do you thing the indictments supposedly coming down are for obstruction/and or collusion? Or something else?
    Thanks
     
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    My bet would be next indictments are for collusion as he seems to be concentrating on Stone et al. Obstruction is mostly/entirely going to be against the president himself, and I assume that comes last. But of course I don't really know, and it's possible that there are more money-laundering charges to come first.

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    There's no such law pertaining to collusion. There is a law against conspiracy.
     
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    I suspect Trump has committed quite a few crimes as has his family.
     
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    On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered "global intelligence" company Stratfor. The e-mails date between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor's web of informers, pay-off structure, payment laundering techniques and psychological methods.

    [OS] US/CT - 5/19 -Some FBI agents are angered by plan to extend tenure of Director Robert Mueller
    Released on 2012-10-18 17:00 GMT

    Email-ID 1371931
    Date 2011-05-20 13:56:38
    From michael.wilson@stratfor.com
    To os@stratfor.com
    [OS] US/CT - 5/19 -

    Some FBI agents are angered by plan to extend tenure of Director Robert Mueller

    By Jerry Markon, Published: May 19
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...robert-mueller/2011/05/19/AF76cP7G_print.html
    President Obama's plan to keep FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III in
    office beyond his 10-year term has triggered an angry reaction among some
    agents, who say Mueller imposed term limits on hundreds of supervisors in
    the agency but is failing to abide by legal limits set on his own tenure.

    The accusations of hypocrisy come as Congress is considering whether to
    grant Obama's request to allow Mueller two more years in office - an
    extension the president said would provide stability as other national
    security agencies undergo major transitions in leadership.

    "We understand the desire for stability,'' said Konrad Motyka, president
    of the FBI Agents Association, which is renewing its call for an end to
    the term-limit policy. "But people are saying, `What about my stability?'
    It's ironic that this desire for stability did not apply to supervisors
    within the FBI.''

    The FBI's policy, which is unusual among law enforcement agencies, was
    adopted after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Known as "up or
    out,'' it requires FBI supervisors to leave their posts after seven years
    and compete for other managerial jobs, retire or accept a demotion in the
    same field office with lower pay.

    FBI officials say the term limits have brought strong managers into
    hundreds of positions created in the years after Sept. 11. But the plan to
    retain Mueller has revived long-simmering tensions over the policy, which
    some say has robbed the bureau of veteran supervisors who retired because
    they did not get promoted.

    Some agents, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of
    retaliation, expressed anger at the thought of Mueller staying when others
    have left.

    "People are up in arms about this,'' said one agent, who likened the news
    to "a shot in the kneecaps.''

    "We have lost valuable experience,'' the agent said. "I've seen people,
    some really significant contributors to this organization and to this
    country, who are questioning their self-worth now and who are basically
    bitter.''

    White House officials declined to comment beyond Obama's statement last
    week. A spokesman for Mueller declined to comment, citing the pending
    request to extend Mueller's tenure. No significant opposition to the
    proposal has emerged in Congress, where Mueller generally enjoys
    bipartisan support.

    The request has drawn strong support from congressional Democrats,
    Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and the FBI Intelligence Analysts
    Association, which on Wednesday called Mueller "a tremendous catalyst and
    leader.''

    Justice Department officials and former FBI officials say Mueller, who
    took over the post a week before the 2001 attacks, has a strong record and
    has successfully led the effort to prevent another terrorist strike in the
    United States. They say the dispute reflects resistance to change at the
    tradition-bound agency, which has added nearly 3,000 agents since the
    attacks, has tripled the number of analysts and is transforming into an
    intelligence agency focused on preventing terrorist strikes.

    "Any organization which underwent such dramatic change will always produce
    a small group of detractors,'' said Neil H. MacBride, the U.S. attorney in
    Alexandria, who has worked extensively with Mueller and said his
    initiatives have been "transformative.''

    Michael Heimbach, who was Mueller's assistant director of counterterrorism
    until 2009, said Mueller's term limit is "totally different than
    up-or-out. . . . He's leading the FBI. He's not supervising a squad.''

    An FBI official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the
    sensitivity of the issue, said Mueller did not seek the extension and
    considered it carefully.

    "This is a term limit. There's a statute,'' the official said. "But when
    the president calls and you're the type of guy the director is, it's very
    hard to say no.''

    The official said that "you'd have to be blind not to see that there is
    irony" in Mueller's decision to stay, but added: "We're at the highest
    [terrorist] threat level we've ever been. This isn't the time to change
    directors.''

    Heimbach said Mueller, a former Marine, may have alienated some agents in
    the FBI's "old guard" with his hard-driving, demanding style. Some agents
    also criticized Mueller in interviews this week as too top-down, aloof and
    not focused on their concerns.

    "Did I like getting up at 4:30 every morning and facing him at 7? Heck
    no,'' Heimbach said. "But I respected him, and I can't imagine the
    president not wanting to keep him.''

    The up-or-out policy emerged after hundreds of FBI jobs were created in
    the wake of Sept. 11. It has been challenged in a lawsuit, filed in
    federal court in Washington in December by current and retired agents,
    that accuses the FBI of discriminating against older agents.

    The FBI denies any discrimination and is asking a judge to dismiss the
    case. In a sworn statement filed in court, FBI Deputy Director Timothy P.
    Murphy wrote that he was "shocked to learn" in 2002 that so few
    supervisors were applying for new higher-level management positions.

    To encourage more applicants, Murphy and another official designed a plan
    to limit to five years the terms of supervisory special agents, who manage
    squads of agents in FBI field offices. The policy was enacted in June 2004
    after Mueller signed off on it; the limit was extended to seven years in
    2008.

    FBI officials argue that it has been highly successful, saying that half
    of the 1,055 supervisors affected have advanced to higher-level positions,
    while the rest chose to retire, were demoted or resigned.

    But one agent said he was "flabbergasted" that Mueller agreed to stay when
    others have departed.

    "Most people think it's ironic and hypocritical on his part,'' the agent
    said. "A lot of really bright people left. It's a shame.''
    --
    Michael Wilson
    Senior Watch Officer, STRATFOR
    Office: (512) 744 4300 ex. 4112
    Email: michael.wilson@stratfor.com
     
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    Knowing Mueller was a Marine, and I read, supposedly a Republican, I would like to talk with the man. Just to see if he still has a mind. I have worked with good Marines, and good Republicans. I can't see the bugger filling either role.
     
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    and you aren't in a position to make that assessment. Muellers knowledge and ability is far superior to yours when it comes to laws and investigations.
     

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