I don't know, I am an only child. I would however fight if he was fighting for his country and being an asshole
A stricter entrance test, background checks, check their travel record to assure they're not coming from terrorist locations, etc. He said CONGRESS needs to figure it out. And he was asking who Obama thinks are the muslim sports heroes. Maybe the likes of Ali wouldn't be on his list, maybe they would.
Back when I was going to get drafted it was all about our arch enemy the commies...that was the schpiel...we thought it was the good fight until we actually saw the reality and that was...this is none of my fucking business. The Chinese tried to conquer them for 300 years and gave up and they live right next door. The French were there 75 years and they gave up...we weren't really there to win...
That's because winning is hard to define. How do you win that war? If the goal was to go in and just crush the North Vietnamese, well, that could have been achieved fairly quickly. Unfortunately that wasn't the goal. We wanted to try to copy what we did in Korea. We wanted to push them back above an imaginary line and keep them there. That's not really winning because there's no timeline. As we have seen in the past 13 years, if you go into a place and you have no exit strategy, you end up with unnecessary casualties and a drawn out occupation. With Iraq, we tried to copy what we did in Germany. Conquer and then aid in building a democracy. The problem with that strategy was that we were trying to essentially start from scratch because that region hasn't adopted western government. It's going to take a lot longer than a decade to change things in the Middle East, and I have always felt like that kind of change has to come from within.
Ya, I get that as well. What if you had 4 brothers and 2 decided to fight and 2 said no? My stance would be to go fight because, while I may die, the chances of survival have to go up even to the enth % for my brothers if I am there
I would support those who chose to go and those who chose to refuse. There's no rule requiring one or the other.
Or you have the potential for this to happen.... http://b-29s-over-korea.com/SullivanBrothers/FiveSullivanBrothers.html
Yes. You specifically mentioned your dislike of conscientious objectors but did not mention war supporters who avoided service. When a person explicitly mentions one thing but leaves out a related one, it's natural to conclude that the thing mentioned excites stronger feelings.
Nixon tried to justify it because he feared Russia and China having a port there. We had bases in the Phillipines, Taiwan, Okinawa, South Korea and we were trying to surround them and control the Pacific Rim and make friends with the local warlords like Marcos.
The war was there long before Nixon. Kennedy started it, LBJ escalated it, and Nixon got stuck with the bill.
You seriously gotta be kidding me. Comparing Bernie to Nugent? Yeah no... Now back to Ali. Stop derailing the thread with that crap.
Are you claiming Ali was able to claim his stance on non-violence because of the Brotherhood of Islam? The group that wanted Japan to kill the white devil in WW2? Same group that killed Malcolm X? He did not convert to a mainstream Islamic faith until 1975.
Actually it was never called a war under all three presidents...I was there on the Nixon end of things..there's a reason he went to China to meet Mao. Nixon didn't start it, but that was one of his justifications for keeping it up.
Yeah. Yeah. If you want to play that card, you have to include Sanders. And Bill "I didn't inhale" Clinton.
Nixon wanted to outright win it. A lot of things got in the way of that. Like Congress not enabling him to bomb Vietnam's neighbors to go after the terrorists where they hid. I don't think our hearts were in it, either. He did run on a secret plan to end the war.
I had to google to find out if there are any current/active pro athletes who are Muslim. Aminu is one, and he came to mind right away without the search. There are a couple dozen in all the sports combined. Who can you name without cheating (looking it up)? Active players.
