Musselman

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">How about telling the guys on the floor to score a bit more? Let's start blaming the players and not the coach. If Musselman was pulling a Jackson and not doing anything to "let them figure it out" I might bite and criticize but he's doing something that has worked at least 23 times and to send him on his way because of maybe 3-4 games is wrong.</div>

He can't tell the players to score more because there's no solid plays. At least if you can't coordinate an offense on the floor, try fouling the big man (who was 1/9 free throwing) before Kobe can do anything. They were letting Kobe get 3 point plays and dish to Shaq at point blank range. I mean you just don't foul Kobe in a continuation because he's too excellent at driving and finishing.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well maybe I'm jumping the gun a little and I don't have the stats that show point production based on who is out on the floor and against which team, but from what I've witnessed his 4th quarter rotations are what causes the dry spells that allow the other team to come back and win even after being behind by a dozen. There were 6 or 7 games like that this year where Musselman just gambled.</div>

Yeah, I think this might be a case of Musselman having to learn game situations as they relate to his players, that's the type of savvy that you want from your coach, but I think the only way to develop it is through game experience. It might also be a case of this team missing it's fourth quarter spark plug in Earl Boykins. I did have the chance to watch a lot of Warriors games last year, and it seemed that every time the game was on the line Earl would drive to the basket and score, or drive down the lane and dish to Jamison or Richardson. Muss probably didn't have to do as much planning as he does now with his current group.

I would consider this an adjustment period for players and coach alike, the team is in transition and might have to struggle for just a bit longer in order to work out the kinks. On a relative note, what would you do with this roster following the season? I think the young core talent is fairly solid with Richardson, Dunleavy, Murphy, Cardinal, Pietrus and Claxton. Is Dampier going to be a priority to keep in the fold? The Warriors could be very good in a couple of years if Dunleavy and Pietrus progress as expected and they could add some talent via the lottery or free agency.

 

I think we're one good player away from being extremely competitive. Like ogshowtime said, we've got a great young nucleus to build around. All you have to do is add a good young center to the fold. Hopefully, Dampier will stick around and fill that role, but something tells me that he's going to run where the money is, and not stay faithful to the team that overpaid him for several years.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobeonfire:</div><div class="quote_post">I think we're one good player away from being extremely competitive. Like ogshowtime said, we've got a great young nucleus to build around. All you have to do is add a good young center to the fold. Hopefully, Dampier will stick around and fill that role, but something tells me that he's going to run where the money is, and not stay faithful to the team that overpaid him for several years.</div>

The draft. We can't upgrade unless Dampier or Jrich is traded. Jrich is real close to becoming a superstar if he can just control the ball a little bit better and his 80% of his free throws.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting OgShowtime:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I think this might be a case of Musselman having to learn game situations as they relate to his players, that's the type of savvy that you want from your coach, but I think the only way to develop it is through game experience. It might also be a case of this team missing it's fourth quarter spark plug in Earl Boykins. I did have the chance to watch a lot of Warriors games last year, and it seemed that every time the game was on the line Earl would drive to the basket and score, or drive down the lane and dish to Jamison or Richardson. Muss probably didn't have to do as much planning as he does now with his current group.

I would consider this an adjustment period for players and coach alike, the team is in transition and might have to struggle for just a bit longer in order to work out the kinks. On a relative note, what would you do with this roster following the season? I think the young core talent is fairly solid with Richardson, Dunleavy, Murphy, Cardinal, Pietrus and Claxton. Is Dampier going to be a priority to keep in the fold? The Warriors could be very good in a couple of years if Dunleavy and Pietrus progress as expected and they could add some talent via the lottery or free agency.</div>

Well that could be right. But still I don't know sometimes if he's just stubborn or doesn't like criticism on his substitutions. At least I know why Calbert gets put in a lot of times. He is the league's most coachable player. Playing for Bobby Knight at Indiana I can see why. He probably throw a chair at you if you talked back to him.

 

Obviously this team has problems in the 4th quarter, they always seems to give up big leads entering the 4th. Also I think they are 0-11 in games when they are tied, lead by 2, or down 2.

Thats the main difference between this year and last year in the teams record. For example last night was a game the warriors would have won last year. Their just not winning the close ones. Which like someone said we don't have an earl boykins to bail us out with a charge or clutch shot.

I think Musselman is a good coach, but custodianrules2 is right his coaching has attributed to some of the teams close losses.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well that could be right. But still I don't know sometimes if he's just stubborn or doesn't like criticism on his substitutions. At least I know why Calbert gets put in a lot of times. He is the league's most coachable player. Playing for Bobby Knight at Indiana I can see why. He probably throw a chair at you if you talked back to him.</div>

:mrgreen: I know one thing, you definitely never refer to him as "Knight".

Cal is solid veteran who's hung around the league through hard work and a reliable jumpshot. Unfortunately he isn't about 5 years younger or he might be a key component in Warriors starting lineup. Like I said, I don't know exactly what's going on these days in Oakland, but which players seem to be the ones who don't buy into his system? Could it be a lack of respect on some of the players' parts?

For a head coach, I believe the most important thing you need from management is freedom to run the team as you see fit. Whether it be in practice, during the games, and whenever they're under your supervision. Your GM hired you to run his team and should be able to trust you to do so competently, if not, he always has the option of choosing another leader. At the same time though, a good coach should always be willing to accept criticism, constructive or otherwise in order to continually be able to improve his team and his/herself as a coach. Muss Sr. was sort of a hard nut to crack, but he gained the respect of his players and they listened to him.

The troubles for the Warriors are probably a product of just about everything that's been mentioned in this thread. Young coaching, roster turnover, young, inexperienced players, new management, etc...etc... I've always liked Chris Mullin though and I would expect him to make the necessary moves to turn things around soon for the team. Whatever those moves might be...

 

Good reply, OgShowtime. Youth seems to be the killer of the Warriors since we never keep them here anyway, but also the greatest promise of having a genuine superstar. I think Mullin will do well since he happens to be a very smart person. Of course through stereotypes you'd never think so with his heavy Brooklyn accent.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Good reply, OgShowtime. Youth seems to be the killer of the Warriors since we never keep them here anyway, but also the greatest promise of having a genuine superstar. I think Mullin will do well since he happens to be a very smart person. Of course through stereotypes you'd never think so with his heavy Brooklyn accent.</div>

Yeah, I hear you man. As a Clipper loyalist (don't ask me why), I know how badly it stings to have a young team on the verge of success only to have it completely torn to the ground. It's maddening for sure, though I think there might finally be reason for optimism for the other team here in the land of silicon and botox. Mullin should be able to turn things around up north, maybe he could work a few deals out by greasing the other GM with a little Vinny Barbarino impression...Heeeeyyyyy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting OgShowtime:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I hear you man. As a Clipper loyalist (don't ask me why), I know how badly it stings to have a young team on the verge of success only to have it completely torn to the ground. It's maddening for sure, though I think there might finally be reason for optimism for the other team here in the land of silicon and botox. Mullin should be able to turn things around up north, maybe he could work a few deals out by greasing the other GM with a little Vinny Barbarino impression...Heeeeyyyyy. </div>

LOL. You're awesome man.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">If I were you, I would respect Musselman rather than criticize his coaching skills. Who would you rather want as your coach? PJ Carlisemo? The ex Hornets coach? Geez, even Gary St. Jean as your coach? At least Musselman is doing better than the other Warrior coaches that came before him. Think about that.</div>

I could not have said it any better. That is exactly how I feel.

 

BTW people. This is Musslemans 2nd year as a head coach in the pros. Think of him as a second year player. Would you get rid of Jrich after his second year? How about Dunleavy, well bad example. The point is he has to learn and grow as a coach just as a player would. I would like to sign him to a long term deal. Mussleman to the Warriors as John Gruden was to the Raiders. Except we still have to make the playoffs.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW people. This is Musslemans 2nd year as a head coach in the pros. Think of him as a second year player. Would you get rid of Jrich after his second year? How about Dunleavy, well bad example. The point is he has to learn and grow as a coach just as a player would. I would like to sign him to a long term deal. Mussleman to the Warriors as John Gruden was to the Raiders. Except we still have to make the playoffs.</div>

That's a very good point, man. Give Musselman some time to develop as a coach, only his 2nd year, and he has impressed greatly. There's no telling where this team would be without him, it definetley be crazy to get rid of him. I feel your frustration as a Warrior fan though(custodian), how the Warriors let games slip sometimes. It happens to every team, you'd think Phil Jackson would be perfect by now, but he makes many mistakes, that I don't like. Making mistakes like you listed is all part of the learning process as being a coach. Give this guy some time, and a little bit more talent, and the Warriors are easily a playoff team. Who knows, if Murhpy/Foyle/NVE have been healthy all year, this team's record would be even better. A playoff push this year is probably out the question, but if this organization plays their cards right(that could be a first ), and gives Musselman a long term deal, the Warriors could have a bright future ahead of them(how many times have we said that though, and it just falls to the ground again). Hopefully, we'll see a change. :biggrin2:

BTW: Warriorsfansnc, 49er and a Raider fan? How did that come about? Stick with the 49ers, the best of the Bay baby!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple N Gold:</div><div class="quote_post">

BTW: Warriorsfansnc, 49er and a Raider fan? How did that come about? Stick with the 49ers, the best of the Bay baby! </div>Raiduh Nation!

 

No way Niners rule. I haven't forgiven the Raiders owner for moving them to LA in the first place.

 

It's all about da Niners, baby!

 

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<font size="1">Niners suck ass!</font>

 

<font size="1">What, what was that? Raiders suck ass? 49ers own the Bay?</font>

Just had to clear that up, now we can get back on topic.

 

I wish I had a football team to argue about

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple N Gold:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size="1">What, what was that? Raiders suck ass? 49ers own the Bay?</font>

Just had to clear that up, now we can get back on topic. </div>

Just to clear things up. I started watching football when the niners played the broncos in the superbowl. I started following football like I do now in 93-94 about the same time I started following basketball since I started playing. So I am an original 49ers fan. But I followed ALL of the bay area teams Sharks, A's, Giants, 49ers, and the Warriors. When the Raiders moved back to the bay area, I started following them too. So I am what I like to call a bay area fan. I support ALL of the teams in the bay area. My dad and I grew up in Santa Rosa. That is where the original Oakland Raiders held there training camp (Flamingo Hotel). My family had some ties somehow to the team and when they won the superbowl in the early 80's. My uncle recieved an autographed football signed by all of that superbowl team for me when I was around 1 year old. That ball to this day is still at my father's house. It was for me, but I keep it there. So I am a Raiders and a Niners fan. A bay area fan. I may never live there again, but I guess you can say I left my heart in the bay area.

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